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maninc_mandy@hotmail.com says...

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Tom Giarmo <TomGiarmoI@use.net> typed:

On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 19:40:19 GMT, Amanda Angelika wrote:

If you wish to argue that aliens, like Christ, believe their
mission is from God, then I would suggest we get the Blues
Brother(s) online as material evidentiary witnesses.

Well I dare say if they are anything like us they would feel their
mission to be Godly, after all you can't believe yourself to be
made in the image of God without feeling one has a certain
monopoly on Godhood and God given rights. That said if they are
aware that the Universe is teaming with intelligent sentient life
which one might suppose to be the case if they travel about in
interstellar space One might assume they have greater humility in
relation to how they behave and be less inclined to interfere in
other Worlds.

Sensible, quite sensible.

Which I guess is the main problem. I suppose if they did reveal
themselves to ordinary people, people would start worshiping them
as Gods. I don't suppose they would want that.

Wouldn't seem to make sense to hide out for <fillin> years when they
could have been very GodLike in <fillin any previous date>

Well I suppose that may have already happened. Considering the
Virgin birth is actually possible with such things as artificial
insemination, and even cloning, some Biblical miracles such as John
the Baptist being referred to as Elijah and the the Virgin Birth
itself are quite explainable in Earthly scientific terms. Whether
these things suggest alien intervention is a matter of conjecture,
but it's certainly one interpretation.

There are also stories of Angels or ET beings being involved in the
religions in other cultures.

So it certainly appears they may have already tried that one, and
noted the consequences are not always entirely desirable. :)

However I think at this point in Human development the results may be
somewhat different, but direct alien contact would certainly have a
profound and far reaching effect on certain power structures that
exist on Earth at present. However I think the belief in God or at
least the awareness that we really are part of something BIGGER
would be consolidated and proven and I think that would change the
face of religion. Religion would be a more personal and individual
experience and less organised into power structures.

I think the real message that any ET would want to impart to
humanity is that we are all aspects or children of God as
individual parts of the life-force in the Universe and we need to
take on that responsibility instead of hiding behind organised
religions as a way of hiding from the responsibility for our
individual actions. Which I think is what Christ is basically
saying once you cut through all the nonsense imposed on the
Gospels by manipulative people seeking to control access to God in
order to manipulate, control and wield power over their fellow men.

It's nice to have a conversation with someone who isn't a first
class koo koo.

:) Well I think it's far more possible to question things in a
rational way these days without being considered mad. That's
probably because of the Internet which is a sort of Tree of
Knowledge in itself and I think it has a profound effect on Human
development as all forms of communication have throughout history.
Whether this makes us ready for contact with ET civilisations is
perhaps debatable, but there certainly a number of prophesies that
indicate we are living in interesting times :) --
Amanda

Christianity as it is known today, does not contain the teachings of
the person that came to be known as 'Jesus'.
See
www.tjresearch.info
or more specifically, follow up anything you can about the
Talmud Jmmanuel text.

It should be noted that Judaism, Christianity and Islam are not
accurate in what they teach or preach.
These are simply power structures designed to control the public,
for those religions.

The concept of 'God' according to the Billy Meier material
is that, there was an ET giant, who called himself 'God' and appeared
to be like one, to the earth humans, this entity lived for thousands
of years. Likewise with his son, who continued the deception.
Perhaps this does explain the different names for 'God'?
Also what 'Jeus'/Jmmanuel taught, was not about 'God' at all, but The
Creation. He taught self responsibility and about being in touch with
The Creation, which we are all part of.

Harvey

Yes I'd pretty much go along with that. Of course it largely implies
organised religion is a hoax. Which bearing in mind the power structure of
nations has been established around religions it not surprising there seems
to be some reluctance to accept evidence that points in that direction. Such
as life on other planets. I mean if intelligent life exists obviously as you
point out it present the possibility that God and Jesus were aliens, it also
knocks the idea that Jesus died once to save sinners firmly on the head. I
mean what about all the other sinners on other planets? I mean he must be
getting pretty fed up with all the death burials and resurrections on every
earth like planet in the entire universe, and how many Sons of God are
there? LOL

That said the real message of Christ is we are all children (or aspects) of
God and his message was never meant to be used as a way to monopolise access
to God in order to control, manipulate and subjugate people, that's the big
lie, and all organised religion when it seeks to monopolise access to God
and take away a person's birthright is nothing more than an evil abuse of
power.
-- 
Amanda

To discern the truth, you have to take all things into consideration.
Especially where religion is concerned, because of it's lack of proof and
it's emphasis on 'faith'.
Faith is not good enough, because you can be misled into believing anything.
And I sincerely believe there is proof available for anything, if you go in 
search for it. If there is such an 'entity' as 'God' (of the bible, etc) then 
there should evidence of that somewhere --- not merely as written in the 
bible, in scripture, which is dated back to 2000 years and beyond.
There should be evidence since then, and into our modern times.
Also that confirmation of 'spirituality' does not necessarily link it to the
God of the Bible, etc - unless that spirit or spirituality awareness says -
"It is 'I' - I am the God of the Bible, etc..." To infer it, is not adequate - 
because guesses can be wrong or wrongly interpreted.

With religion, you have to play detective - Where's the motive? Who benefits? 
Who or what is the power structure in place? Priests benefit and the clergy. 
They have to give us something in return, therefore they have this dogma and 
rheteroic that they spew forth. They make it sound as believing as possible.

It is always after the disappearance of the prophet, that things go awry -
that happened with the early christian church, and also with Islam.
The prophets brought the message faithfully here, in tact, and it was
distorted as soon as they disappeared from the scene.

ETs, Angels and God are basically the same. They came from the sky, from
heaven. Same for Satan and his crew.
To say - No, people of ancient times knew the difference between -
an ET, an angel, an astronaut, a pilot, etc, would be wrong.
As always it is a question of language, that is the problem.

The universal message is that we are all the same.
We are all children of god. If you wish to use that term, meaning
sons and daughters of god, or that of creation.
Jesus effected miracles by having people acknowledge that the power of
the miracles came from 'the creation' that is within us all.

People speaking for God - don't. They gain attention and importance
for speaking for God. What if there is no God at all, that it is merely the
figment of their imagination? They cannot ask God to show any signs or
get any confirmation. We'll all be christians in no time, if that was
done. There would be no other religions, when proof and confirmation is
available.
And why can't an powerful and knowing God show itself? Only in the Bible it
does, it is claimed. Therefore it only appears retrospectively - never
presently and certainly not in the future. Prophecy of the Bible is just
a sham - there are always end times just around the corner, we are always
at the verge of self destruction and anniliation.

Harvey