In article <dEdge.1348$WQ3.998@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net>, maninc_mandy@hotmail.com 
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On Tue, 10 May 2005 05:19:10 GMT, "tim gueguen" <tgueguen@shaw.ca>
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"Your Name Here=Harvey" <kiwi@ing.notin.aus> wrote in message
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The concept of 'God' according to the Billy Meier material

Umm, you do realise that Meier is a conman, right?

You do realize that 'God' is a con job invented by men, right?

Which is neither here nor there in regards to Meier being a crook
who took fake UFO photos to help sell his bullshit, and hence not to
be trusted or believed regarding any supposed revelations.

tim gueguen 101867

Billy Meier could not fake the photographs at the time they were
taken. Early 1980s and earlier. He had neither the skill nor the
expertise to do so. Note: he took photos often in series.

If Billy Meier 'faked' the UFO photographs he took, I will say,
OK, it is plausible he did. But what the skeptics claimed he did,
he could not - not technically or physically.
The camera he used was not capable of 'forced perspective'
photography, because it could only be focused at infinity, and the
high shutter speed used does not allow it too.

But you can't buy a 35mm Camera with a fixed focus lens that allows wide
apertures, because fixed focus lenses are usually focused at about 15ft and
rely on the depth of approximate focus (depth of field) created by a small
aperture IOW the aperture control has to be severely limited because the
aperture plays a roll in the focus of the scene. The other aspect is Fixed
Focus 35mm cameras tend to use a lens of about 35mm to 40mm which is more
wide angled than the usual 50mm standard lenses used on Higher quality SLR
Cameras, again the purpose of this is to maximise "depth of field" or depth
of focus.

Actually cheap cameras of that type are quite good for forced perspective
photography, because they come pre-set with ideal settings for that type of
work, the other thing is, because depth of field creates a kind of virtual
focus rather than absolute focus, they will ensure any strings (such as
nylon fishing gut) used to suspend models from will not show up in the final
image.

Actually IMO a camera of that type would be almost ideal for creating fake
UFO pictures, under fairly bright conditions because it is preset with all
the settings you would need for forced perspective photography. It's also an
ideal piece of equipment to perform a confidence trick because people would
assume that someone using a low budget snap shot camera doesn't know what
they are doing when in fact the opposite could very well be the case.

You are being 'conned' all the time - and for the truth,
you have to investigate and decide for yourself what is right and
plausible and what isn't.

I do heavily suspect Meier is a fraud. Well put it like this. It's
relatively easy to make models of flying saucers and do a bit of trick
photography to make them look real. However conjuring up living breathing
space alien's to pose for your pictures is a different matter, and it's the
almost total lack of genuine pictures of his alien friends apart from some
blond woman he obviously cut out of a newspaper and the endless pictures of
boring hardware, that blows the Meier case clean out of the water. I mean
I'm sure aliens don't come millions of miles simply to do aerobatic
displays.

-- 
Amanda

The camera used for the well known colour Meier UFO photographs were
taken with an Olympus 35ECR camera. It got dropped accidently, consequently 
the focus ring is permanently stuck at the Infinity setting.
Wendelle Stevens is a long time investigator of the Meier case - he gave
a lecture at a UFO conference about his recollection of the Meier case.
He presents a slideshow history of the Meier photographs, going back to
his earlier B&W photographs. A lot of the photographs were taken in a
series of photographs. He has travelled to Switzerland and has been at the
actual locations in which the photographs were taken. He says in most
cases there are sheer drops in which physically, you can't hang a UFO
model out in view, to fake the photographs. The locations don't allow it.
Remember Meier has only one arm.
The lecture is recorded on video - you can find it on file sharing
networks. Meier's UFO photographs were the most astounding of all the
UFO photographs taken around that time. Late 1970s to around the early 80s'.
To simply say - 'Oh, they were faked' is inadequate - considering the
background information about them.

There are also a lecture presented by Dietmar Rothe who covers
the spiritual aspects in the Talmud Jmmanuel text.
And one by James Deardorff.

Unlike other UFO contactees - Meier has a considerable body of
evidence behind him. Not only the most amazing photographs of the time,
but an interesting sound recording on tape, metal samples given to him, and
some cine footage.
The most interesting is the information he has provided via the Plejarens.
The UFO Contact Notes information. Unlike other information from other
UFO contactees - I believe the information he has provided, is very
interesting indeed.

If you have read only the 'negative' reports and comments about
Meier - then you may have convinced yourself he is a fraud.
Note - that in the Contact Notes, he is informed by the Plejarens,
what other UFO contactees are genuine, and which ones are 'fakes'.

I do believe it is worthwhile checking Meier out - don't simply take
someone's word for it --- check out the details for yourself, to see which
side is more plausible and genuine.

Harvey