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In article <7JIhe.6238$sE4.1481@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>, 
maninc_mandy@hotmail.com says...

In news:d671l5$klh$1@lust.ihug.co.nz,
Your Name Here=Harvey <kiwi@ing.notin.aus> typed:

There is nothing wrong with having a healthy skepticism, in which
one wishes to be shown evidence or proof - where one asks - Please
show me?

Yes agreed :)

Phil Schneider usually says at the beginning of his lecture - Don't
just take my word for it - check it out for yourself. Meaning, he
gives incredible details in his lectures (in which his story is
incredible - an update on MJ-12 type material) - which gives people a
starting point in which they can dig up information to back up what
he says.

Phil Schneider is one of those impossible stories in UFO/MJ12
lore, in that he worked as a geologist in various black projects for
the US government and reveals all about them. The secret history of the
USA. Sadly he is not around anymore being a casaulty of the war for truth.

Well there certainly is some compelling evidence that some contactee stories
may be true.

Well one can only speculate I suppose, but there is a huge universe out
there, with billions of suns, and most likely billions and billions of
planets, it's possible "alien" life exists in our own solar system (outside
earth), in some form, on both Titan, Mars and possibly elsewhere to, or has
existed in the past. To conclude in the light of such evidence we are alone
in the Universe would seem as crazy as me concluding the USA doesn't exist
because I've never been there LOL

The other thing is Anti-gravity technology is not an empty day dream. It
works and there is every possibility there are other civilisations out there
that have developed it to the extent they can travel between the stars.

Such technology, free energy etc and individual space travel also has
profound implications for political power structures as we know them. I mean
if the individual has his or her own means of generating energy and the
ability to travel anywhere, then the power structures as they exist at
present on the Earth would be dead, because the individual would be a total
free agent, godlike and reliance on Governments and power structures such as
many of the big multi-nationals that exist at present would be over, also
National borders would become a thing of the past, because there would be no
Nationhood, you would just have one World Government, If there was any need
of Governments at all.

I know it isn't easy to decide in the Meier case, which is more
credible - his story, or that of his critics?
There were several UFO documentaries which put Meier into the silly
Hoaxer category - and I made the mistake of believing their story,
without checking it out. Consequently I avoided checking out Meier
material for about 10 years. I recently got access to much of the
Meier material - the sheer volume of it, is startling.
Also no other contactee has provided a variety of evidence as Meir
has - 100s of UFO photographs, from B&W to colour, with some cine
footage,
audio recording, metal samples, and communications with the ETs
eg. http://www.gaiaguys.net/fermi.htm
You have only to compare Meier with eg. Betty and Barney Hill, or
Travis Walton to note how different the Meier contact is.

There has been nothing to indicate that Billy Meier has benefited
from the UFO contacts he has had. Not financially - his personality
and mindset
is not geared along 'normal' lines.
He's not the outgoing type, and doesn't seem to have ego problems,
etc.
He was suppose to have been the offical spokesperson for the
Plejarens, to give public lectures, etc. He is not a good public
speaker, and doesn't
even speak English fluently to be able to reach the widest audience
possible.

Well it's possible the Meier case is absolutely true. It's either true or
false there's nothing in between. It is difficult to judge. Unfortunately
one has to remain sceptical, because of human nature and the fact people do
lie. However...

Once you understand the Plejarens - and their outlook - you will see
that they are not interested in making offical contact. They see
governments as being corrupt (I tend to agree with them on most
things) - yet getting their message to the public is very difficult -
because of anyone (not just Billy Meier) having contact with ETs face
being labelled as being a hoaxer, potty, a liar, etc.
I tend to agree with the Plejarens, who note the plundering of earth's
resources with no regard to the safety of the environment or the
future consequences of such rampant usage of non-renewable resources.

If the claims about anti-gravity technology and it's free energy
capabilities are true and such craft have been developed by the US military
and other World governments one can understand why they would fear a simple
technology, that would enable individuals to generate their own power and
give everyone a flying machine that can travel thousands of miles and be
made invisible to radar. Such technology would give the individual so much
power and freedom that the World Order as we know it now where governments
control the life and freedom of the individual and you have different
nations would change overnight. You would have to have a World Government
because there is no way that nations could control their borders you'd sit
your flying saucer down wherever you pleased, law and order as we know it
would completely break down and nationhood as we know it at present would be
dead. You can therefore understand why the US military (the defence
community) would want to cover up such technology, because it spells the
death of Nationhood, the Military defend the order as it stands and this
technology would change the World so fundamentally that the order the "Old
Guard" defend and define would be totally gone.

In some ways this would explain why the Billy Meier Aliens avoid contact
with governments, because they come from planets where there is no such
thing as Nationhood and where the individual is free, their order is
different than ours and in some ways they really do have the power of gods,
because they can go where they please in the universe and are not under the
control of an authority, they live as free agents.

They would therefore fear our governments, because our Governments would see
them as subversive and would seek to kill them. This does therefore explain
why they would make contact through individuals. Because whilst we may be
proud of our Nationalities, this is largely because we are quite primitive
and have little conception of the truly godlike freedom we could enjoy as
individuals.

It should be noted, that the Plejarens say - that once mankind has the
capability of interplanetary space travel, mankind's belligerent attitude 
would not be tolerated by other intelligent races - that while humans
stay earthbound - they are relatively safe.
The Plejarens have an interesting view about things, and what is considered 
the optimium way of living and government, etc. It is worthwhile reading about 
- just go to www.figu.org and register them in the English forums.
They believe not in living in cities - saying such close proximty living
creates more problems than it solves.

There is a big hurdle to be overcome, in the enlightenment of mankind to
'truth' - that it not simply UFOs that are being kept from the public, but
such things as our own history - and the true state of religions (particularly 
that of Judaism, Christianity and Islam) here.
All truths are interlinked - and because we are fed some concoction which is
not the truth for so many centuries, that we wind up with a world that is mad 
in extreme measures - whether it be materialism gone mad, religion - the same, 
and it is not listening to what we are programmed with, that makes more sense.
We know fossile fuels are non-renewable - is there something ready in public 
view, ready to take over? No. Have world corporations recognised the
fragile ecology of this planet? No.

Governments wish to stay in control - giving the image, that without 'them' 
the public will go crazy with anarchy and recklessness.
I think due credit should be given to ordinary people who just want to get on 
with their lives - without government intervention.

Sadly our stockmarkets are so fragile, so that introducing an alternative free 
energy generation system would upset them easily, and our current economies.
There has to be radical changes in all areas of our 'world' - but especially 
with our ideas and belief systems - if we are to grow up at all, as a race,
world, etc.

Harvey

-- 
Amanda