| Subject: Re: Alien Proof |
| From: "D-word" <yank_ees_suck@yahoo.com> |
| Date: 08/06/2005, 18:00 |
| Newsgroups: alt.religion.the-last-church,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.atheism,alt.religion.thelastchurch |
Niels van der Linden wrote:
As foolish and stubborn as the god-fearing can be, atheists are, at times, no better. Both are resolute in their beliefs, despite their ignorance.No way. Atheists have logic on their side. Show us evidence and it'll be looked into."Looked into"...what a twit. Just what would that accomplish? I'm an agnostic, btw. As for logic, it isn't relevant when you don't have an argument. Correct me if I am wrong but has the "scientific theory" known as "atheism" proven why we are here? I didn't think so. That is because it is a belief system based on ignorance -- it offers nothing by way of explanation.O, man.. where to start.. Take evolution for instance, it describes how life evolved. It doesn't say why. But if you think about it, it actually negates the question, since it says it just happens and is *not* steered.
Okay, so evolution, let's say I'm willing to stipulate to all of it as fact. Natural Selection, man evolved from primates, the fossil record, geological history, primordial soup, all of it. Fact. Now what? Does it explain existence, because I think that was the point? How is logic on your side to explain that? I'm an a-g-n-o-s-t-i-c, sound it out. You aren't proving to me that a Christian god didn't create the universe in roughly a week's time -- with a day to spare -- you are being asked to demonstrate how LOGIC has proven the lack of existence of a god. I'm not theistically inclined in any way, it is ontology and epistemology that float my ark, but when you invoke logic as "yours" -- I take offense. It was your statement, not mine. "Logic is on your side." Now I want you to put up or shut up. I'm certain logic is in my camp on this one, although I might be willing to let you have some if you ask nicely. Where to start? Better get cracking with, say, anything useful at all. How about a logical Proof of Non-existence for starters....
Same goes for creation of planets, stars, solar systems, galaxies.. This scientific knowledge has brought me to my position: atheist freethinker. When new knowledge arrives, I'm totally open to changing my position, since that's the way I gained it in the first place.
An "atheist freethinker", how nice for you. Self-applied labels are so useful when it comes to explaining things. If all the knowledge in the world is just waiting to inform you, why are you still ignorant? It doesn't seem that all this "receptiveness" to new knowledge is having much impact. Are you actively seeking it out, or are you just sitting there like a fish with its mouth open, hoping something will swim too close? Does your "scientific knowledge" explain the creation of the Universe, the Big Bang, perhaps? What exactly does that prove, what do you "know?"