On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:12:36 -0700, "Jeff McCann" <NoSpam@NoThanks.org>
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" <gunner@nospam.lightspeed.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 13:17:23 -0700, Stuart Grey
<stuart.grey@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:

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Consider that almost half of the voters, and more than half of the
people, "think" like Brock.

Game over. It's just a matter of time before America goes off the deep

end.

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Stop and think about it, a people so lazy that they want to suckle off
Uncle Sam's hairy teat, so lazy they would gladly surrender freedom to
become a kept and taken care of slave of the state; would they make the
effort to vote? Only if someone did it for them!

Yeah, like all the Repug votes pre-loaded on electronic voting machines, eh?

You do have cites for this claim..right? Or is it simply Sore/Loserman
2000 spew again?  There are 12 step programs to help you get over your
angst.

The Dems NEED a captive and caged  electorate to keep them in power
and in money.

The Repugs need an uninformed and mislead electorate to keep them in power
and money.

Odd....given that most Republicans are middle class..and most Dems are
lower class. (or have no class at all...)....it would appear that you
got that wrong too.

America went off the deep end in 1787. Its been peaks and valleys
every since. Never boring either.

Huh? How is a new constitution off the deep end? I agree that the new
constitution is flawed, but it does limit the federal government.

The Grand Experiement, America was so unusual for the times as to be
heritical to most nations.

We needed to fix the flaw in the supreme court and to get people in
government who could actually READ it, but other than that, it was a
pretty good document.

Indeed.

Then we messed with it and made crap out of it.

We are seeing a cyclical swing in politics..and I believe..a cusp
point in history.  Far more unsettling than the Industrial Revolution,
or the concept that each man is free.

Swing? Hell, it's been a steady slide to the left and the trash can of
the future. People say we're going conservative, but that's bullshit. We
are far more to the left than we have ever been, including FDR's
socialist agenda.

Not from my point of view. Like a large train..it takes time to throw
on the brakes and come to a stop, then reverse course. Lots of smoke,
sparks and friction, but the direction is changing.

Not from my point of view.  Like a large train wreck, it takes time to clean
up the mess, repair the tracks, and get a more competent engineer and crew
in place.  Lots of damage has been done, but the repairs are on the way.

Good fellow!  Thanks for giving me an even better analogy.

So its not surprising that things are a bit "interesting".  The demise
of the Left, which started with the implosion of the USSR, and
crumbling its way down to the Liberal Ideology.

Or the demise of the NeoCons, which started with their being caught asleep
at the switch before 9/11/01, and continued with a downward spiral of the
NeoCons through the bungled war in Iraq, and the inevitable consequences of
their repeated lying, cronyism and incompetence coming home to roost.

Demise of the NeoCons?  Odd..they keep winning elections, unlike the
Left.

Leftist idealism is such that they STILL will take the country communist
and try again. To their way of thinking, the wealth produced by a free
society was a distraction to the communist worker, and that communism
can only work when the last capitalist has been shot and burried.

As you may have noticed..the People caught on to that, finally..and
teh Left no longer wins elections because of it. Soon they will be
unable to do anything other than weep.

NeoCons are still plotting to enrich and entrench themselves, even if it
means destroying America with their fanatical pipe dreams. The people have
finally caught on to their gross incompetence and lying ways, and soon they
will find themselves on the trash pile of history alongside the Communists,
as the real conservatives take back their party.

Good.  That of course means the Liberals will be on the bottom of the
trash pile, along with most Dems.

They haven't given up, they simply plan to get rid of us before they try
again.

The NeoCons haven't given up.  They simply plan to shred the Constitution
and rig the elections again.

Like in Florida?

Snicker.....

as Im sure you are aware..that aint happening. We got the power, we
got the guns, and we got the People. And that last thing is the most
important.

Enjoy it while it lasts, because it won't last long.  The people are
catching on, you don't have all the guns (and the NeoCons don't give a damn
about your 2nd Amendment rights,either), and your power will soon be gone,
either to more rational and intelligent real conservatives, or to the
Demwits.  Either way, the NeoCons have blown it, big time.

Demwits are history, no matter what.

The Democrats are becoming a foot note in history, like the Whigs.

I don't think so.

Our opinons are noted.

The Communist have taken over the Democrat party, this is true enough.
However, what people don't realize is that they are in the Republican
party as well. Bush is a leftist, pure and simple. He was to the right
of the leftist traitor John F. Kerry, but Kerry ALMOST was elected. Bush
is there to slowly advance the communist cause. Kerry would indicate
that we were ready to go communist much more rapidly.

Nope.  Bush is a true-blue NeoCon NeoFascist.

You have cites for this?

Long journeys start with small steps.

Kerry is the only U.S. Senator to be honored in a communist hall of war
heroes; and for a war that was was fought against US. HELLO! Wake up and
smell the coffee.

This claim is just another example of deceitful spin by the Rightards:
"The photograph displayed above, of Senator John Kerry meeting with
Vietnamese officials, is on display in the War Remnants Museum (formerly the
Museum of American War Crimes) in Ho Chi Minh City (formerly Saigon).

The significance of the photograph's presence and placement within the
museum is subject to considerable debate, however. The picture on display
does not capture John Kerry engaged in an anti-war activity (although such
photographs are plentiful and easy to obtain), nor does it depict or
describe him as an anti-war protester. The picture shows Senator John Kerry,
a duly authorized representative of the United States government, meeting
with Vietnamese officials in 1993 (long after the end of American military
involvement in Vietnam) as part of a "high-level delegation" sent to Vietnam
by President Clinton "to press for further progress on unresolved POW/MIA
issues." The caption below the photograph makes no reference to John Kerry's
anti-war activities, nor does it even identify him by name - it reads
simply:
Mr. Do Muoi, Secretary General of the Vietnam Communist Party met with
Congressmen and Veterans Delegation in Vietnam (July 15-18, 1993)
If the intent of the exhibit were for Vietnamese Communists to "recognize
John Kerry's contributions to their victory," as claimed, it seems rather
odd they chose a display that neither names John Kerry nor explains his
importance to the Vietnamese, but merely includes him in a picture as an
unidentified member of a U.S. "Congressmen and Veterans Delegation."

Since the photograph dates from a time when President Clinton was taking
steps towards establishing formal diplomatic relations between the U.S. and
the Communist government of Vietnam (a cause for which Senator Kerry and
Senator John McCain were leading proponents), its significance to the
Vietnamese is probably more that it conveys a sense of official U.S.
"recognition" of the post-war Vietnamese government (by dint of U.S.
congressmen, including Senator Kerry, meeting with Communist Party
officials). As analogies go, this exhibit is less like "the discovery of a
painting of Neville Chamberlain hanging in a place of honor in Hitler's
Eagle's Nest in 1945" than it is like finding a photograph of President
Richard Nixon meeting with Chinese Premier Chou En-lai hanging in Beijing's
Museum of the Chinese Revolution."
http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/museum.asp

You havent found out yet that Snopes cannot be trusted not to have a
distinct Leftwing bias?

We all are aware of Kerry. We are also aware that the People rejected
him.

What will spring up from the ashes is anyones guess. It cannot be too
extremist, as the major extremists and fringe kooks will have either
killed themselves, or will be killed in the short, fast, bloodily and
horrifying  dirty little civil war that they are attempting to cause.
Shrug..no matter.

Gunner

See, that's what I mean by a NeoCon pipe dream!  Gunner apparently believes
that there will be some sort of violent insurrection that will allow the
NeoCons to stay in power.  Not only is that utterly ridiculous, it shows the
general contempt NeoCons have for Constitutional government.

Jeff

Hyperbole tends to make the point stronger. Look at any of the hate
speech presented by the Left (nearly every byte they  produced on
Usenet)

Gunner


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so stupid it is easy work."  Steven M. Barry