On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 10:53:55 -0700, Stuart Grey
<stuart.grey@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 13:17:23 -0700, Stuart Grey
<stuart.grey@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 11:39:48 -0700, Stuart Grey
<stuart.grey@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:

Many leftist don't vote. Most conservatives do. The leftist know this 
and are desperatly trying to make it easier and easier to vote.

Actually the majority of neither votes.  Though its true the Left is
trying to regain as many voters as possible as more and more one time
Democrats register as Republicans or Independants. But thats been
going on for years. Reagan was once a Democrat as was Goldwater.

I recall seeing polls that show that Republicans tend to have a larger 
percentage turnout and a more consistant turn out.

For example, bad weather favored Republicans, because Democrats wouldn't 
go out in bad weather to vote. A lack of issues favored Republicans as 
well. Hot issues and good weather favored Democrats. Making voting 
easier favors Democrats.

Stop and think about it, a people so lazy that they want to suckle off 
Uncle Sam's hairy teat, so lazy they would gladly surrender freedom to 
become a kept and taken care of slave of the state; would they make the 
effort to vote? Only if someone did it for them!

You and I , and most Americans are refutations of that statement.

Erh? I don't wish to suckle off of Uncle Sam's hairy teat, I am no 
socialist. How could I refute by example my claims about socialist if I 
am not a socialist?

And that is exactly what we see with the Demorats.

The Dems NEED a captive and caged  electorate to keep them in power
and in money.

America went off the deep end in 1787. Its been peaks and valleys
every since. Never boring either.

Huh? How is a new constitution off the deep end? I agree that the new 
constitution is flawed, but it does limit the federal government.

The Grand Experiement, America was so unusual for the times as to be
heritical to most nations. 

Oh okay.

We needed to fix the flaw in the supreme court and to get people in 
government who could actually READ it, but other than that, it was a 
pretty good document.

Indeed.

Then we messed with it and made crap out of it.

We are seeing a cyclical swing in politics..and I believe..a cusp
point in history.  Far more unsettling than the Industrial Revolution,
or the concept that each man is free.

Swing? Hell, it's been a steady slide to the left and the trash can of 
the future. People say we're going conservative, but that's bullshit. We 
are far more to the left than we have ever been, including FDR's 
socialist agenda.

Not from my point of view. Like a large train..it takes time to throw
on the brakes and come to a stop, then reverse course. Lots of smoke,
sparks and friction, but the direction is changing.

You described that the velocity vector has decreased in magnitude, but 
the analogy has not changed the direction of the vector.

The facts are:

In the 1940s, the government engaged in one of it's first socialist 
enterprises, Social Security.

1930s

Later on in the 1940s, dispite popular disapproval, the United States 
entered WW II to save Communism from extermination.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

About the 1960s, the people's rights to assemble and associate with whom 
they pleased was nullified via a criminal application of the commerce 
clause. This has not been repealed.

Tell that to the Mall Police.

Shortly after, a fictitious right to kill one's unborn child was 
invented, urserping state power to regulate medicine and crime. This has 
never been repealed.

True.

The right to keep and bear arms, one of the most clearly defined rights 
of the people in the constitution, has been eliminated.

Not so. Some places its been infringed, most places its still very
much in operation. 

IN our last election, a man known to have belonged to a communst party 
affiliated group, VVAW, and to have met with the enemy during a time of 
war, a felony, not only has not been prosecuted but ran for president; 
and the traitor pulled in almost half of the vote and came within one 
state of winning.

True.  But he didnt win..and the People continue to return to the
Right.

Our right to own property was just declared subserviant to the will of 
the government, just like in other communist countries.

I suspect that will change very shortly

Now, tell me, how is that moving to the left? You really don't believe 
that Bush is a right wing conservative, do you?

Nope..he is a moderate

1) Bush has pissed on the idea of a federal system of government with 
his "no child left behind" act.

How so?  Do you know what NCLB really is?

2) Bush has appointed two stealth judges to the SCOTUS. All you know 
about them is that the left wing APPROVES of them. The surprise is on us.

Yes and? 

3) Bush refuses to win the Iraq war by killing the enemy by methods in 
accordance with the GC and Hague conventions of war. Instead, he 
stupidly exposes our military people to unnecessary risk.

Our opinons differ here.

4) Bush REFUSES to defend our boarders, and has invited a flood of 
leftist Mexicans into our country.

Nice spin. Not particularly true..but true enough for me to agree.

Moving to the right? No sir. That is a fiction. Don't fall for it.

oooook..your opinon is noted.  Disagreed with..but noted none the
less.

Just listen to the wailing and crying from the Left..does that sound
like the noise made by folks happy with the situation? If it wernt
moving Right..they would be happy as pigs in shit. At present..they
are about two degrees away from slitting their own bellies.

So its not surprising that things are a bit "interesting".  The demise
of the Left, which started with the implosion of the USSR, and
crumbling its way down to the Liberal Ideology.

Leftist idealism is such that they STILL will take the country communist 
and try again. To their way of thinking, the wealth produced by a free 
society was a distraction to the communist worker, and that communism 
can only work when the last capitalist has been shot and burried.

As you may have noticed..the People caught on to that, finally..and
teh Left no longer wins elections because of it. Soon they will be
unable to do anything other than weep.

The left? The Republicans are the left, the Democrats are the communist.

There is no right wing on the ballot.

Opinon again noted.

They haven't given up, they simply plan to get rid of us before they try
again.

as Im sure you are aware..that aint happening. We got the power, we
got the guns, and we got the People. And that last thing is the most
important.

The Democrats are becoming a foot note in history, like the Whigs.

I don't think so.

Our opinons are noted.

The Communist have taken over the Democrat party, this is true enough. 
However, what people don't realize is that they are in the Republican 
party as well. Bush is a leftist, pure and simple. He was to the right 
of the leftist traitor John F. Kerry, but Kerry ALMOST was elected. Bush 
is there to slowly advance the communist cause. Kerry would indicate 
that we were ready to go communist much more rapidly.

Long journeys start with small steps.

Kerry is the only U.S. Senator to be honored in a communist hall of war 
heroes; and for a war that was was fought against US. HELLO! Wake up and 
smell the coffee.

We all are aware of Kerry. We are also aware that the People rejected
him.

Barely. Had Bush been a little more to the center, Kerry would have won.

If Bush had been a little more to the center..they would have been
siamese twins.

WE got the leftist and not the out and out communist. I find no victory 
in that.

Again..opinon noted.

What will spring up from the ashes is anyones guess. It cannot be too
extremist, as the major extremists and fringe kooks will have either
killed themselves, or will be killed in the short, fast, bloodily and
horrifying  dirty little civil war that they are attempting to cause.
Shrug..no matter. 

Gunner

Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin to
clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because Liberals are
so stupid it is easy work."  Steven M. Barry 

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont  kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you
for torturing the cat."  Gunner