Gunner wrote:

On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 10:53:55 -0700, Stuart Grey
<stuart.grey@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 13:17:23 -0700, Stuart Grey
<stuart.grey@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:

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You described that the velocity vector has decreased in magnitude, but the analogy has not changed the direction of the vector.

The facts are:

In the 1940s, the government engaged in one of it's first socialist enterprises, Social Security.

1930s

great,

Later on in the 1940s, dispite popular disapproval, the United States entered WW II to save Communism from extermination.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

That wasn't the case. FDR was good buddies with "Uncle Joe" Stalin. FDR covered up Stalin's death camps. FDR responded to Stalin call for FDR to get into the war with an effort to provolk the Germans with an undeclared war against the German Navy, and bold faced violations of American neutrality with the bogus "lend/lease" act, which was a thinly vailed effort to hide the fact that we were illegally supplying UK with arms. Then there is the fact that the FDR administration had many communist agents in it, and FDR forbid the FBI from investigating them.

FDR had a long history of advocating socialist programs. He was suspected of being a socialist.

To reach any conclusion other than FDR and Stalin were in cahoots is to be delusional.

About the 1960s, the people's rights to assemble and associate with whom they pleased was nullified via a criminal application of the commerce clause. This has not been repealed.

Tell that to the Mall Police.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. Once upon a time a person had the right to open up a little shop, and he could serve whomever he wished, under the right of free association.

Under the commerce clause and the federal power to regulate interstate commerce, the federal government decided it could negate the right of free association. The test case was where a white owned resturant in the south refused service to a black person. This behavior of it's citizens to exercise their right to free association was what the government was (unconstitutionally) trying to outlaw. Now, the resturant sold no food to its customers that came from out of the state. However, the fed said that since one of the tin cans that the blackeye peas came in was from out of state, the federal power to dictate who the resturant owner dealt with was supreme over the resturant owner's constitutional right to free association. The entirety of civil rights laws to protect the unpopular is based on this absurd case.

Regardless of what you think of bigotry, people have a god given right to be assholes. IF they didn't, we'd be shooting liberals in the streets.

Shortly after, a fictitious right to kill one's unborn child was invented, urserping state power to regulate medicine and crime. This has never been repealed.

True.

The right to keep and bear arms, one of the most clearly defined rights of the people in the constitution, has been eliminated.

Not so. Some places its been infringed, most places its still very
much in operation.

The federal ban on military type assult rifles has just expired, hasn't it? That federal ban was an infringement upon the very type of weapon that the 2nd Amendment was written to protect. Because it was never ruled unconstitutional, the only way the people can reassert this right is probably by force of arms against their own government. I don't like their chances.

And how can you argue that because some states infringe upon the right to keep and bear, that the constitutional prohibition against all levels of the government from infringing upon it the right has not be eliminated by the government as a whole?

Mind you, the USC is very clear on the issue of explosives. No, the right to keep and bear is a fiction. You are limited to small, inferior arms at best.

IN our last election, a man known to have belonged to a communst party affiliated group, VVAW, and to have met with the enemy during a time of war, a felony, not only has not been prosecuted but ran for president; and the traitor pulled in almost half of the vote and came within one state of winning.

True.  But he didnt win..and the People continue to return to the
Right.

He didn't win by a small margin, even when the people were told he was a damned traitor to the country. Even when they knew of his communist ties via the VVAW.  That IS amazing.

I expect Hillary Clinton, aided by the left wing media who are running her Gena Davis propaganda show, will easily be elected in 2008.

Our right to own property was just declared subserviant to the will of the government, just like in other communist countries.

I suspect that will change very shortly

Not with the type of Supreme court justices that Bush is making; a couple of surprise packages so far. I expect that the surprise is on us.

Even Reagan appointed a couple of leftist liars to the court. Bush cut a deal with the Democrats, plain and simple. Not at all how Clinton cut a deal with the Republicans in the last part of his administration.

Now, tell me, how is that moving to the left? You really don't believe that Bush is a right wing conservative, do you?

Nope..he is a moderate

Bush is to the left of center. He's a RINO, like McCain and Specter.

1) Bush has pissed on the idea of a federal system of government with his "no child left behind" act.

How so?  Do you know what NCLB really is?

It is a gross, unconstitutional infrigement upon the power of the states. No where in the constitution is the federal government to make any law regarding education. It is a pure state power; states need not even HAVE a public education system, so the federal power to dictate to states that they have to give parents and option to send their kids to a different public school is bogus on its face!

First, the state can't even make this law. The constitution doesn't empower them.

Secondly, the state has no obligation to even HAVE a public school. Thus, the federal government setting the standards for state public schools is absurd.

2) Bush has appointed two stealth judges to the SCOTUS. All you know about them is that the left wing APPROVES of them. The surprise is on us.

Yes and?

I'm saying Bush is left wing, and the US is sliding to the left.

Two appointees with left wing indications. One did pro-bono pro-abortion work, the other was supporting Al Gore.

No problem, huh? This seriously changes the balance of the court. One swing justice and one conservative justice with two left wing justices. Game over, the left now owns the show.

Q.E.D. The court has just gone left. You might as well use the constitution for toilet paper, for all the support you'll get from the Supreme court to defend it.

3) Bush refuses to win the Iraq war by killing the enemy by methods in accordance with the GC and Hague conventions of war. Instead, he stupidly exposes our military people to unnecessary risk.

Our opinons differ here.

Is there any doubt that if all the terrorist were DEAD, that the war in Iraq would be over? That is an objective fact.

Another objective fact is that the terrorist exist in the Sunni Arab regions of Iraq, which is terrorist held.

Another objective fact is that the GCs allow us to bomb the enemy in enemy defended cities. Tough luck on the civilians sympathetic to the terrorist combatants.

Yet, Bush refuses to use our superior firepower end the war, and our good people are dying instead.

You can't state the objective facts or the reasons why your opinion differs from what I think is logical and obvious.

So, your opinion is noted, but I disregard it as irrational until you can explain why.

4) Bush REFUSES to defend our boarders, and has invited a flood of leftist Mexicans into our country.

Nice spin. Not particularly true..but true enough for me to agree.

What is untrue about it?

Bush not only did not shut down the boarders, there are now more illegal aliens flooding into the US than there are legal immigrants.

Bush open spoke well of the benefits of illegal aliens. Bush disparaged the Minutemen for defending the boarder. Bush advocated a guest worker program. Bush went to Mexico and spoke to Fox, who has a major issue with his sending Illegal aliens to the U.S.. The two came away in agreement. HELLO! Bush sold us out.

Again, I don't see what you can possibly consider to be untrue.

Moving to the right? No sir. That is a fiction. Don't fall for it.

oooook..your opinon is noted.  Disagreed with..but noted none the
less.

Disagreement without reason is noted, but not respected.

Just listen to the wailing and crying from the Left..does that sound
like the noise made by folks happy with the situation?   If it wernt
moving Right..they would be happy as pigs in shit. At present..they
are about two degrees away from slitting their own bellies.

IT doesn't follow that because they wail, that they are not getting what they want. The leftist are spoiled brats.

Do recall the wailling of the french revolutionaries as they sent the last of their adversaries to have their heads looped off. Your logic would have us believe that the french nobles were thinking that they were winning even as the blade slid down towards their neck.

So its not surprising that things are a bit "interesting".  The demise
of the Left, which started with the implosion of the USSR, and
crumbling its way down to the Liberal Ideology.

Leftist idealism is such that they STILL will take the country communist and try again. To their way of thinking, the wealth produced by a free society was a distraction to the communist worker, and that communism can only work when the last capitalist has been shot and burried.

As you may have noticed..the People caught on to that, finally..and
teh Left no longer wins elections because of it. Soon they will be
unable to do anything other than weep.

The left? The Republicans are the left, the Democrats are the communist.

There is no right wing on the ballot.

Opinon again noted.

Again, you give no objective facts, yet you disagree.

I've given many objective facts to support my position, a few being:

1) NO left wing infrigements upon our rights have been reversed.
2) Existing leftist judges negated the federal government respect for private property.
3) No defense of our borders, which is what the pro-Diversity leftist want. May as well start singing the International.
4) The appointment of more leftist judges.
5) The Republicans have REFUSED to win the war, and instead have been using Iraq to grind down the military and has sent recruitment rates into the toilet. (NO one wants to be cannon fooder when the war can easily be won.)
6) Republican violation of the constitution i.e. No child Left behind. Republicans are suppose to be FOR the constitution and PRO-State powers, not against them.

And you disagree, give no reason, and refuse to admit the objective evidence that indicates a continued slide to the left?

You're not very convincing. I may respect you gunner, but I never let authority get in the way of my own thinking. The objective evidence indicates you're wrong.

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We all are aware of Kerry. We are also aware that the People rejected
him.

Barely. Had Bush been a little more to the center, Kerry would have won.

If Bush had been a little more to the center..they would have been
siamese twins.

Considering Kerry's communist ties via the VVAW and his visit with the enemy communist during war time, and that he has the most far left voting record in the U.S. Senate, even to the left of Ted Kennedy, you seem to have just admitted my claim that Bush was a leftist and the Democrats are communist.

WE got the leftist and not the out and out communist. I find no victory in that.

Again..opinon noted.

No reasons, however.

What will spring up from the ashes is anyones guess. It cannot be too
extremist, as the major extremists and fringe kooks will have either
killed themselves, or will be killed in the short, fast, bloodily and
horrifying  dirty little civil war that they are attempting to cause.
Shrug..no matter.
Gunner

Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin to
clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because Liberals are
so stupid it is easy work."  Steven M. Barry

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont  kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you
for torturing the cat."  Gunner