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tomcat <jlavine@bellsouth.net> typed:

Amanda Angelika wrote:

This is quite staggering when one considers we don't even credit the
Ancient Egyptians with a knowledge of Pi or Pythagoras's theorem let
alone trigonometry which if true we may safely assume they couldn't
have worked it out observing and mathematically plotting the
movements of the stars, and since they also weren't supposed to
understand electro magnetism they couldn't have used a compass LOL.
It's fairly obvious of course that Western archaeology is wrong
about the past, either because it is intrinsically racist, the
history of civilisation on this planet is far older than we thought,
or space aliens did it :) Whatever the case we may safely conclude
mainstream Western history and archaeology is wrong and based on an
incorrect belief system. Because this cannot be coincidence, the
evidence the ancients knew far more than we credit them for can be
found all over the planet and is overwhelming.

I agree that the 'ancients' were far better than most today believe.
We have achieved most of our technology in the last 2 hundred years.
The ancient civilisations existed much longer than that.  Therefore,
they could easily have been as sophisticated, or even more
sophisticated, than we are.

Yes I agree. Though advanced technology generally and technological progress
seems to go hand in hand with imperialism i.e the need to conquer nature,
more territory and sometimes other people's and nations. I mean you only
need to develop advanced communications and other technologies like Nuclear
weapons if you have an empire to govern, expand and or protect.

It is unlikely therefore that massive technological advance as we have today
would have taken place of it's own volition in the ancient world in isolated
pockets, because there was no necessity and technology just doesn't develop
like that.

Plato spoke with deep respect of Atlantis and their
 science/technology. And, indeed, there are signs all over this
planet of advanced ancient technology, whether alien or human.

Well the Atlantis story is interesting, but I suspect Atlantis existed
before the last Ice age and was a civilisation that developed on Pangia,
which of course broke up and drifted apart and created what we now call the
Atlantic Ocean. They would of course have needed to develop advanced
communications and technologies because Pangia was a very large place, well
it consisted of all the existing continents joined together so was a huge
global Island, and I think on such a land mass advanced technology would
have developed very quickly.

There is considerble evidence of life on Mars as well.  See my
alt.paranet.ufo "Spirit Sol 633" or my sci.space.shuttle "Go To Mars?"
The pictures referenced are on the actual JPL Rover Web Site.  No
chance of alteration.

Well I must admit the only thing I can see in those particular images
remotely artificial are the tyre tracks and the Rover itself. Actually I am
a bit sceptical of many of these things, I mean I'm not even convinced by
the Cydonia face. Well I have a degree in Fine Art and have studied human
perception, and it is quite natural for people to see faces within abstract
or anomalous surfaces. This is because the mind struggles to find something
recognisable and we are biologically hard wired to recocognise faces. That
said I have seen some far more subtle geometric constructions on photos of
Mars, that seem far more convincing to me.

The sci.space.shuttle "Go To Mars?" topic has an additional picture in
one of my last posts that actually shows Martian Creatures that appear
to be in hybernation.  But, see for yourself.

Again I can't see anything unusual there. That said I suspect there is life
on Mars, there must be places beneath the Martian surface where there is
liquid water and the right temperatures, also life can exist in some fairly
extreme places even on our own planet so I don't see any reason why life
could not exist there. In fact I think it would be more shocking if they
found Mars to be totally dead, because rocks ejected from our own planet
containing life must have landed on Mars in the past and we know Mars was
much warmer and more favourable to life in the past, and although we don't
have absolute proof as yet, most of the evidence points in that direction.
-- 
Amanda