In article <TY%gf.2082$xP2.1080@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>, manic_mandy@hotmail.com 
says...

In news:dm1fcr$vpc$1@lust.ihug.co.nz,
Your Name Here=Harvey <kiwi@ing.notin.aus> typed:

In article <rsSgf.94$w73.34@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>,
manic_mandy@hotmail.com says...

In news:1132715034.728758.252930@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,
Earl Dombroski <earl.dombroski@gmail.com> typed:

Correct.  God has no spine.  That's why he lets his followers
persist.

Well actually, I don't think God needs followers. I mean the Idea
that an omnipotent God is that insecure is quite ludicrous. I think
believing in God is something one does entirely for oneself, because
ultimately if the Universe is God then every one and every thing is
part of God, everything is *One* and observing there is a force of
constant creation and renewal in the Universe demonstrated clearly
in the laws of physics, is a positive way to interpret things. But I
think the last thing one should do is get involved with any kind of
*organised* religion, since the evil perpetrated in the name of
organised religion and the way it is used to separate people from
God by attempting to pervert and manipulate the truth and frighten
people with the horror of Eternal Hell would seem to indicate it is
the way of Satan. --
Amanda

Religion only puts on the pretense of being spiritual. In reality it
isn't. It is just a con job, and such a good one, that it has fervent
believers believing that it is real and truthful. It isn't. As
regards the Jews, Christians and Muslims. They do worship the one and
same God, even though they may protest otherwise. Their God is so
similiar to each other's.

There is only one God. Problem is most organised mono-theistic religions
invent their own "one God" so in effect you get lots of gods which are in
effect created by religious leaders to manipulate their followers.

The reason why I say this - is that the philosophy of religion, it's
information is seriously flawed - it is pure nonsense - neither
adding up to a reasonable and logical explanation of 'reality' here.

Yes exactly

The Gods and God were in fact ETs.
God was an ET, a giant who lived for thousands of years, who wanted
to be worshipped as a God, and started the God myth - which the Jews,
Christians and Muslims perpetuated.

For the same reasons. It allows one to manipulate and enslave large numbers
of people.

For the missing history of mankind go to
http://www.semjase.net/semjeng10.html
At the bottom of this page, is a timeline of human history. All of it.

Yes I have read most of that. It's interesting. I wouldn't say I believe
it's true though. I mean I agree with the basic premise that we know very
little about our origins and there is every possibility that ETs have had a
hand in the development of this planet, but I have serious doubts about the
whole Billy Meier thing. When someone or something starts to become a cult
you end up with something not unlike organised religion. And considering
apart from some circumstantial evidence such as like for example the
pyramids do actually exist, there is no solid evidence that is anything more
than a fanciful piece of Science Fiction or Fantasy fiction writing, which
whilst it is entertaining and stretches the imagination and is an enjoyable
read is I think just as fanciful as J.R.R. Tolkiens "Lord of The Rings"
which was better researched and better written and is far superior in terms
of literary genius, well it's a masterpiece :)

I don't believe everything regarding the Billy Meier/Plejaren information.
There is a lot there to consider. It only takes one aspect of the information
to be seriously wrong, then you have adequate reason to discard all the rest
as hooey too. At www.figu.org there is serious discussion about all this,
and not everyone there is a believer.

This is from the Plejarens (ETs) /Billy Meier.

Also note - information about Jesus's teachings is in the Talmud
Jmmanuel text, which gives a different story to the traditional story
about Jesus. ie. Jesus did not die, he was resusictated and journeyed
onto India,
where he lived to a very old age and died there. There is a tomb of
Jesus in Kashmir. See www.tombofjesus.com and
www.tjresearch.info for further information.

There was a television documentary 'Did Jesus Die?' which I have a recording 
of - that was screened here in NZ about 5? Easters ago. It brings up much
the same info as Billy Meier - The Talmud Jmmanuel details, without any
reference to Billy Meier/Plejarens/Talmud Jmmanuel. The only extras it
covered, was the France possibility regarding the Knights Templer etc.
It was a year or so later, that I looked at the Billy Meier information again.

Billy Meier/Plejarens have a no nonsense view about the state of the planet 
Earth and where it will most likely head, given the state of how things are.
Which is the obvious reason why there is no official with ETs now, or in
our recent history - we don't show the sign of intelligent life here on Earth, 
just a chaotic and power/vanity driven race.

Well this demonstrates very well the egotistical cultistic motivations
behind Meier's agenda. I mean it's one thing to point out things of this
nature, but when you attempt to supply all the answers you have in effect a
new religious cult, which has the exact same questionable base human
motivations at it's core as any other organised religion. :( However I
suspect the main motivations between that site is propogandist and I dare
say say it is funded by another organised religion, probably Islam.

Jesus did not teach about God as such, but about the Creation.
The creative energies of the universe, which when tapped into,
created the miracles of Jesus, as per the traditional story about
Jesus.

Well yes. Christ seems to have become a cult, not for the things he actually
said and did, but rather because others have perverted and manipulated his
teachings and the actual history of events to their own purposes. This is
something that worries me about the Billy Meier case. Which has all the
trappings of a cult. But at the end of the day no genuine, selfless, and
genuinely loving individual would seek to become the head of a cult, the
motivation behind that is egotism and power, and possibly monetary greed. So
anyone who does that is clearly a fraud and in my view Billy Meier is no
exception. Gosh he's even invented Blond Haired blue eyed Aryan Angels in
flying saucers to spread the Gospel of Billy Meier and some of his ideas are
little more than Fascism. It's all very clever but we've seen this movie
before. :)

Before you turn off completely on Billy Meier - you should read the actual 
material/information given by Billy Meier/Plejarens.
Don't simply go by negative comments and negative press etc.
Billy Meier has not built up a material or monetary kingdom like 
Sai Baba has - or other consciousness movements (just name any).
The majority of his information is still untranslated into English from 
German. He is said to be the prophet of these times, just as Edgar Cayce was 
the last man fufilling the term 'Prophet'.
I do have a copy of the Talmud Jmmanuel text - and it is interesting to read.

The truth - does supply all the answers.

Harvey

-- 
Amanda