In article <dUvhf.4163$aU5.30@newsfe3-win.ntli.net>, manic_mandy@hotmail.com 
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In news:dm3aou$dma$1@lust.ihug.co.nz,
Your Name Here=Harvey <kiwi@ing.notin.aus> typed:

Billy Meier/Plejarens have a no nonsense view about the state of the
planet Earth and where it will most likely head, given the state of
how things are. Which is the obvious reason why there is no official
with ETs now, or in
our recent history - we don't show the sign of intelligent life here
on Earth, just a chaotic and power/vanity driven race.

But surely when people say they are in contact with people from "heaven" or
the stars who say we are wicked, or doomed (going to Hell basically), but
some people are special, and if we repent (listen to these people) we may
avert this doom (be saved) Then one is dealing with a kind of Religion

Problem is religions are normally started and run by beings or people who
want to be worshiped or obeyed IOW Hungry for Power/Vanity.

So isn't calling the people of Earth stupid a bit of a "Pot/kettle black"
situation. I mean if these Plejarens were actually intellectually superior
surely they would see the hypocrisy in their reasons for limiting their
contact.

Of course if they are really are that stupid not to mention hungry for
Power/Vanity then they must, by their own criterion, be Earthlings, and this
is therefore almost an open confession of Charlatanism.

I think the Plejarens - from our view - are damned if they do, and damned
if they don't, as regards helping us out, in the manner we'd like them to.
In being caretakers of this planet, it is our responsibility to look
after it proper, instead of gassing ourselves or destroying this planet
utterly for future generations etc etc.
Yet no doubt, if they landed and took over this planet - for our better good, 
there'll always be people who see that as being overlords and treating us
as slaves, etc.

From what I gather about the history of this planet, is that there was
active involvement in our ancient history with ETs.
I use to think that our ancestors caused wars with ET superweapons, etc -
but the Plejarens don't really confirm this at all.
Instead that the ETs weren't spiritually advanced at all, and fought amongst
themselves - and humankind at that time, were amongst the casualities.

I am certain that if a race of beings from another planet were truly
concerned about the fate of human kind on this planet, and they knew we were
heading for a real disaster, I believe they would be doing something
effective about it. I can't honestly see them contacting someone like Billy
Meier, because simple folk (like us) and Billy Meier don't really have the
power to change anything on a World scale, and even if we can move mountains
then such things take time, but if the World is facing imminent disaster
there isn't time to muck about with the wrong people.

I think there is a prophecy that there will be official contact with an
ET race, who'll want contact with Earth. Exactly when? I don't know...
To me, that is very surprising - who'll want contact with this chaotic
messed up earth, who are constantly fighting and bickering amongst themselves. 
They can't even look after their own planet.

Before you turn off completely on Billy Meier - you should read the
actual material/information given by Billy Meier/Plejarens.
Don't simply go by negative comments and negative press etc.
Billy Meier has not built up a material or monetary kingdom like
Sai Baba has - or other consciousness movements (just name any).
The majority of his information is still untranslated into English
from German. He is said to be the prophet of these times, just as
Edgar Cayce was the last man fufilling the term 'Prophet'.
I do have a copy of the Talmud Jmmanuel text - and it is interesting
to read.

Well Billy Meier must make a fairly comfortable living selling his books and
whereas some might wish to build a massive fortune, others may simply be
happy to be comfortably off.

As far as I am aware - he is not profiting by his material, etc etc.
A lot of his material is still in German, and you have to learn to read
German to really access his material.

The story about Meier, is that when the Plejarens contacted him, they were
hopeful he would go public and do lecture tours etc etc about his contacts.
But Billy Meier is not of the public speaking type, and he has always put off 
doing just that. He doesn't have the personna or presence to be a good public 
speaker. And no - he's not into material possessions or even 'money' as such.
No he doesn't live in a castle or luxurious surroundings, etc etc.
I'm surprised you got the impression he was making a lot of money from
his publicity etc etc. It's the case, that he generously gave interviews and 
even let some people have access to his photographs, etc etc. Only to find 
that people stole his photographs, or never returned them.

I have read some of the Billy Meier/Plejaren materiel. It's interesting but
there is very little evidence apart from circumstantial evidence any of it
is actually true. And just because he gets a prophecies correct doesn't
necessarily mean he's in touch with beings from other planets, after all we
are all children of the Universe and possess a part of it's energy. IOW We
all possess an aspect of God, I see no reason therefore why a human being
couldn't make reasonably accurate predictions about the future. Well I've
even done it myself using the Tarot and done loads of surprisingly accurate
Tarot readings for friends (Surprised me actually). However I think anyone
who is reasonably sensitive and receptive can predict the future, you don't
even have to believe it to be able to do it. But I dare say some people are
better at it than others. But one certainly doesn't need the help of ETs :)

The truth - does supply all the answers.

Problem is nothing has supplied all the answers yet, so we can safely assume
everything is a half truth or an outright lie, we simply don't know the
truth :)
-- 
Amanda

Everything in our so-called conventional world is full of half truths and
misinformation (misinterpreted as to be mixed up).
Coming to terms with the Billy Meier / Plejaren material is very difficult 
because only a few parts of it, can be verified to any degree. It'll have to 
be a case of wait and see, as the years roll by, to see that more information 
will come to light, which shows that his information is reliable.
It has to - because if one point of his information is positively incorrect, 
then a great of his followers have every right to disregard the rest of the
information too.
Some very bold statements are made (actually a great number are made).
He is the prophet of these current times. Make no mistake about this.

Let us say he is a very special person on this planet - such that visiting
ETs see him as being very different from the rest of us.

He is not here to start a new religion / etc.
But he is here to help along those lines. Let us say that he is a truthful
and honest person - and he doesn't stray away from that.

I don't have any kind of ESP abilities whatsoever - I think I'm here to
link up the correct phenomena/information and see how it does line up to
an understandable view of the universe. And I think we should realise what
has been incorrect all along - our religions, particularly that from the
Jews, Christians and Muslims.


Harvey

Amanda