In article <eQGhf.3594$y36.265@newsfe1-win.ntli.net>, manic_mandy@hotmail.com 
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In news:dm6os7$nlb$1@lust.ihug.co.nz,
Your Name Here=Harvey <kiwi@ing.notin.aus> typed:

I think the Plejarens - from our view - are damned if they do, and
damned
if they don't, as regards helping us out, in the manner we'd like
them to.
In being caretakers of this planet, it is our responsibility to look
after it proper, instead of gassing ourselves or destroying this
planet utterly for future generations etc etc.
Yet no doubt, if they landed and took over this planet - for our
better good, there'll always be people who see that as being
overlords and treating us
as slaves, etc.

The most likely scenario is they would contact scientists, people high up in
the military and some World leaders, and the information would be treated on
a strictly "need to know" basis. That IMO would be the most sensible and
logical way to do things. Particularly if they didn't wish to interfere with
or upset present belief structures, end up being worshiped as gods, or have
no desire to take over the planet (invade).

If you've been reading about Roswell, the Greys, MJ-12 etc etc
you will know that contact has been made - in secret with the US govt,
or should I say the govt within the govt.
[I don't know what the Plejarens say about all the above... to confirm
 or deny whether this happened at all? Same for their views about the
 authencity of www.disclosureproject.com - the lineup of eyewitness
 testimonies here is pretty impressive - but is it genuine and accurate?
 It could all be another disinformation ploy - like MJ-12 info?]

And you have the Colonel Corso testimony that downed\crashed UFOs have borne
fruit as to reverse engineering of alien technology and materials.

Since that would be the most sensible way to contact the human race on this
planet, it is not surprising there are conspiracy theorists who believe it
has already happened, and of course there is some evidence such as sightings
of UFOs around Military bases, Area 51 MIB etc that appears to point in that
direction.

That said since it is the most logical way for ETs to contact us, I think
there is also a great deal of dis-information about, which at the height of
the Cold War was designed to spook the Russians and still serves to draw
attention away from the development of our own advanced aircraft and secret
weapons.

Certain ETs simply do not wish to contact with us at all, because they
see through the public image of governments, and know how corrupt and
inefficient our governments really are.
eg. Politicians being ego maniacs and power mad - who once in office,
    reneg on their promises that got them there.
    Power corrupts absolutely - seems to be the history of this earth.

So although there is plenty of smoke it doesn't necessarily mean anything
other than the fact people believe ET contact is a possibility. Whether it
is a fact is another matter.

From what I gather about the history of this planet, is that there was
active involvement in our ancient history with ETs.
I use to think that our ancestors caused wars with ET superweapons,
etc -
but the Plejarens don't really confirm this at all.
Instead that the ETs weren't spiritually advanced at all, and fought
amongst themselves - and humankind at that time, were amongst the
casualities.

It's not impossible, but we don't have much, if any solid evidence.

I am certain that if a race of beings from another planet were truly
concerned about the fate of human kind on this planet, and they knew
we were heading for a real disaster, I believe they would be doing
something effective about it. I can't honestly see them contacting
someone like Billy Meier, because simple folk (like us) and Billy
Meier don't really have the power to change anything on a World
scale, and even if we can move mountains then such things take time,
but if the World is facing imminent disaster there isn't time to
muck about with the wrong people.

I think there is a prophecy that there will be official contact with
an
ET race, who'll want contact with Earth. Exactly when? I don't know...
To me, that is very surprising - who'll want contact with this chaotic
messed up earth, who are constantly fighting and bickering amongst
themselves. They can't even look after their own planet.

There is another way of looking at it. We may not be advanced, or have as
much choice as we may think. Humans may on certain level be no more advanced
than a colony of insects. IOW a product of Nature and destined to be
destroyed by nature, and the whole thing may just be some big cycle which
ultimately we have absolutely no control over. But the ultimate goal of the
hive, colony or nest is to preserve a seed which can arise again like a
phoenix from the ashes either on this planet or on another. If that is how
life, human development and intelligent life works and in the massive
eternal scheme of things that would seem highly likely,  then ETs are no
better than ourselves, they are simply another step along the road of the
same destiny.

It is important to know our origins and how life develops here, as elsewhere.
In the story about 'the Creation' it is explained that planets, do naturally 
by themselves nurture life, given time and the natural conditions by which 
life can develop on a suitable planet. That planets do develop life on them, 
and later humanoids.
And when beings go stellar (have interstellar travel possible) they go about 
seeding other suitable planets, accelerating the natural process.
Our story here, is that there were primitive humans here already, but they 
were interbred with ETs. Well, that does make sense, and is plausible.
The more intelligent species would have control over the planet, as they
would have the technology to allow them to do what they like to do here.
This of course explains the 'gods' and 'God' of all our cultures.
Why should christianity be any different? It is based/from older cultures.
Of course, most christians today, won't admit to this at all - that the
God of the Bible was an ET, and descriptions within the Bible, are 
descriptions of UFOs, and not of 'God' or the manifestation of God, etc etc.
There are the 1956 books - 'UFO and the Bible' and 'The Case for the UFO'
by M K Jessup which point this out. Way before Von Daniken coined the
popular phrase 'Was GOD an astronaut?'.

Before you turn off completely on Billy Meier - you should read the
actual material/information given by Billy Meier/Plejarens.
Don't simply go by negative comments and negative press etc.
Billy Meier has not built up a material or monetary kingdom like
Sai Baba has - or other consciousness movements (just name any).
The majority of his information is still untranslated into English
from German. He is said to be the prophet of these times, just as
Edgar Cayce was the last man fufilling the term 'Prophet'.
I do have a copy of the Talmud Jmmanuel text - and it is interesting
to read.

Well Billy Meier must make a fairly comfortable living selling his
books and whereas some might wish to build a massive fortune, others
may simply be happy to be comfortably off.

As far as I am aware - he is not profiting by his material, etc etc.
A lot of his material is still in German, and you have to learn to
read German to really access his material.

The story about Meier, is that when the Plejarens contacted him, they
were hopeful he would go public and do lecture tours etc etc about
his contacts. But Billy Meier is not of the public speaking type, and
he has always put off doing just that. He doesn't have the personna
or presence to be a good public speaker. And no - he's not into
material possessions or even 'money' as such. No he doesn't live in a
castle or luxurious surroundings, etc etc.
I'm surprised you got the impression he was making a lot of money from
his publicity etc etc. It's the case, that he generously gave
interviews and even let some people have access to his photographs,
etc etc. Only to find that people stole his photographs, or never
returned them.

But being a bit of an amateur doesn't indicate he's genuine. It could simply
mean he's incompetent. Besides you would expect supposedly advanced ETs
would choose someone capable of spreading the word, if that were their plan.
Lets face it, choosing someone who can speak English would be a help, but
even Chinese or Spanish would make more sense than German, no offence to the
Germans of course I do speak a bit of German myself and learning German does
also help one to understand a few of the other European Germanic languages
and it is a beautiful language, I love the logic and simplicity in saying
"klien" for small and kein for nothing and it is a much purer language than
English. But it isn't the most widely spoken language on the planet, or even
the second for that matter.

Yes, on the one hand it does seem rather odd, that Billy Meier was chosen,
given he is not an English speaker/writer and doesn't have the desire or
abilities to be a good/effective public speaker, etc etc.
I think the story is, that the Plejarens did have 3 candidates they were
nurturing for the one task here (having to rely on my memory here) but the
other two simply chose to opt out altogether - because it is extremely 
difficult to go public, as saying you were having UFO sightings and contact, 
etc. In other words the other two persons rejected the task offered to them,
or did not perform well enough to take on the task.

Please note - that with the official translation of the UFO contact notes,
re: Billy Meier, the German is still published, alongside the English 
translation - that is how you can tell, if you are reading the genuine Billy 
Meier contact notes.

I have read some of the Billy Meier/Plejaren materiel. It's
interesting but there is very little evidence apart from
circumstantial evidence any of it is actually true. And just because
he gets a prophecies correct doesn't necessarily mean he's in touch
with beings from other planets, after all we are all children of the
Universe and possess a part of it's energy. IOW We all possess an
aspect of God, I see no reason therefore why a human being couldn't
make reasonably accurate predictions about the future. Well I've
even done it myself using the Tarot and done loads of surprisingly
accurate Tarot readings for friends (Surprised me actually). However
I think anyone who is reasonably sensitive and receptive can predict
the future, you don't even have to believe it to be able to do it.
But I dare say some people are better at it than others. But one
certainly doesn't need the help of ETs :)

The truth - does supply all the answers.

Problem is nothing has supplied all the answers yet, so we can
safely assume everything is a half truth or an outright lie, we
simply don't know the truth :)

It is actually quite difficult to sort out, the various ETs that have
made contact with us, or have appeared here.
In that you should not confuse the Plejarens with all other ETs.

It would be good if someone could or has? authoritively as best as possible
listed all the various ETs known, and of their connections with this Earth,
including what kind of ships they use?
eg. There are some crafts of terrestrial (Earth) origin.
    The Adamski Flying Saucers are of the 'Nazi Flying Saucers' design,
    which are said to be designed by the Nazi's and survived the end of
    WWII. There seem to be no? sightings or photographs of this type anymore?
I don't know if the Plejarens are the only ones with a linked history
with us?

I guess I need to start taking some serious notes, and start up a timeline
history from the various materials I have. 
Not all information about Billy Meier is accurate. Randolph (Randy) Winters 
accounts/information is in error, with various details. He is said to serve 
only as a reasonable intro, if you have no other resource available. You have 
to keep in mind, his information (Winters) is not altogether accurate.
I have all his audio tapes, which covers the UFO Contact Notes material, and 
stopped listening to them, when I found out the discrepency.

--
Amanda

Everything in our so-called conventional world is full of half truths
and misinformation (misinterpreted as to be mixed up).
Coming to terms with the Billy Meier / Plejaren material is very
difficult because only a few parts of it, can be verified to any
degree. It'll have to be a case of wait and see, as the years roll
by, to see that more information will come to light, which shows that
his information is reliable.
It has to - because if one point of his information is positively
incorrect, then a great of his followers have every right to
disregard the rest of the information too.
Some very bold statements are made (actually a great number are made).
He is the prophet of these current times. Make no mistake about this.

Let us say he is a very special person on this planet - such that
visiting ETs see him as being very different from the rest of us.

He is not here to start a new religion / etc.
But he is here to help along those lines. Let us say that he is a
truthful and honest person - and he doesn't stray away from that.

I don't have any kind of ESP abilities whatsoever - I think I'm here
to
link up the correct phenomena/information and see how it does line up
to
an understandable view of the universe. And I think we should realise
what has been incorrect all along - our religions, particularly that
from the Jews, Christians and Muslims.

Problem is though even if it were all true, we still wouldn't know if the
true agenda of the so called Plejarens is good or evil, positive or
negative. It may have no meaning at all, and simply be some sort of social
experiment they are carrying out, in the same way as we carry out
experiments on apes and put rats and mice in mazes. Dumb animals often trust
the hands that feeds them, but are they right to trust us? In many cases no,
as she pops another Hamburger LOL ;)

The Plejarens true agenda is that which they present. The same with Billy 
Meier - the same as I write to you. There are no hidden motives other than,
what is mentioned.
I wish that was the case, when dealing with the MJ-12 material, and other
UFO info etc etc.
The Phil Schneider material is interesting (along MJ-12, Black Government
budget and projects lines) - but it is difficult to know if this person is 
100% truthful and accurate. It is very much along the lines of the 
www.disclosureproject.com info, and it paints a very disturbing picture of 
what is really going on here?
The conspiracy information is very disturbing. Unfortunately it is very 
plausible, and possible... I'd wish there was information to show it is pure 
fiction.

Harvey

-- 
Amanda