In article <1136421547.392319.49520@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, 
elgersmad@rock.com says...

Harvey,

One morning, when I was in the fifth grade, I rode my school bus to
school, and I had a couple of questions.  So, first I asked, "How many
of your parents make you go to church?  Can I see a show of hands?"
Then I said this, "Out of all of you who held you hands up, can answer
this one question?  If you've never sinned, how can you be saved?"  One
kid spoke out and said, "Everyone sins."  Then I said, "Can anyone
answer the question without dissassembling it?  The only question is,
"How can you be saved, if you've never sinned?"  One kid spoke out and
said, "There's no way....  Unless, you sin."  another said, "I guess
you gotta."

You're the nut, who makes it so damn important to sin by teaching your
kids to believe in that shit.

Yeah, well, your post was something along the lines of
1 + 1 = 4  kind of logic.

I never said I was for Christianity and the Bible being true, etc etc.

And I think the idea that ETs are behind the major religions - sound
as bad - as too, the idea to shoot down UFOs willy nilly.
How is there any logic in all that?
What makes you think it's an 'Us' vs 'Them' 1950s' type movie war???

Can't you get it into your brain, that if they wanted this world off us -
then they could use biological or germ warfare to do that?
Or some kind of death ray that leaves structures (and even non-human life)
intact?

If they got the intelligence to build and fly interstellar craft, then
obviously they have got a whole lot better arsenal of all sorts of weapons
than we have. Or better yet, are able to find and travel to non-human
populated planets better than this one, can ever be.
Only dumb humans would think the Earth is the pearl of all the planets in
existence, and that travelling faster than the speed of light, is impossible,
with no other alternatives possible.
And we have most of the world population believing that there is no other
intelligent life out there, that we are alone in the universe.

And if you read anything of UFOlogy - you'll know that downed UFOs are
more common than what the public thinks.
And there is a lot more information than that, if you care to do your own
research? Like going over to www.earthfiles.com
That site will do for starters.

Don't subsitute one crap world view (Christianity) for another (Us vs them
crap).
Not that there aren't hostile ETs out there. Just as there are warring and
peaceful races, and so there are good and evil, as in peaceful and invading
forces.
As far as the earth is concerned, let's sort out the us vs us crap first,
before we deal with outsiders and interlopers.

Given that the public doesn't know about all this - that governments lie to 
us. We still need to verify what is what? What is really truthful in this 
world? And what is utter crap. And show how is this so? And demonstrate how, 
as best as possible - which is not an easy task at all.
I believe the Jews, Christians and Muslims are purposefully misled - with
Bible crap (ie. their respective texts are not correct nor accurate, some of
it is, though). The idea of God is non-sensible, and the God of these
religions in particular display common characteristics that they should be
considered one God, therefore one religion (in basic theory) that has split
3 fold, then into many, many parts. They all share common enough 
characteristics to be categorised as being 'together' loosely, although they 
disagree with one another.

Harvey