In article <1136617720.511384.156180@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
elgersmad@rock.com says...
John 19:30
When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With
that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
Luke 23: 46
Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit
my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last.
Mark 15:34
And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi,
lama sabachthani?" which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken
me?"
Mark 15:37
With a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last.
Matthew 27:46
About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama
sabachthani?" which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
Matthew 27:50
And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his
spirit.
Dear Harvey,
Matthew 20:16
"So the last will be first, and the first will be last."
He couldn't win to make himself the center of right and wrong, and
having refused to instruct the people on how they ought to raise their
children, his antics, magic act, displays, and his will to one day be
God, were thrown out of heaven. Why, as follows.
Proverbs 22:6
Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not
turn from it.
Where wisdom is only advice, priorities are set by law, and there is
nothing unwise in the law or obeying it.
In light of the recent incident in the world news, it is best to put it
into
a detached and unemotional content as possible, so as to see with eyes
unclouded about the situation.
Following the timeline of events, I guess it happened like this?
Miners were trapped underground, families were informed about this,
they started their non-stop prayers - after a time, news finally came
that all were saved except one? However that news was not correct.
That all were killed except one. That it took 3 hours before the news
was corrected.
Not all prayers to 'God' work. You can work this out all by yourself,
without the above incident. Because if all prayers were answered,
Christianity
would be the number one religion, with proof of prayers, same for other
religions who also use prayer.
Even a 10 year old can work this one for themself.
That would be a bright 10 year old though.
Harvey
It helps to quote from a text, that is more accurate than most
others...
219 Chapter 31
Jmmanuel's Flight from the Tomb
1. When dawn broke on the first day of the week after Passover, the three
days and nights had passed following
which Jmmanuel would live again after his near-death, as he had
foretold.
2. And behold, a great thundering arose in the air, and a radiant light
came from the sky and settled on the
earth, not far from the tomb.
3. Then a guardian angel stepped forth from the light; his appearance was
like lightning and his garment
was as white as snow.
4. And he went to the tomb, and the soldiers, full of fear, moved out of
his way.
5. He lifted his hand, and from it bright lightning sprang forth and struck
the soldiers, one after the other.
6. And they fell to the ground and did not stir for a long time.
7. Then the guardian angel stepped up to the tomb, rolled the stone away
from the door and said to Mary,
the mother of Jmmanuel, and to Mary Magdalene, who were both there:
8. "Don't be afraid, I know you seek Jmmanuel, the crucified.
9. "He is not here, for he is alive just as he said he would be. Come here
and behold the place where he has lain.
10. "Go quickly and tell his disciples that he has risen from near-death.
11. "Also tell them: He will walk before you to Galilee, and there you will
see him. Behold, I have told you.
12. But Mary asked, "Yet he was dead and lay here dead. How can he then
rise?"
13. The guardian angel answered, "Why are you seeking a live person among
the dead?
14. "Go now and spread the news among his disciples, but beware of telling
anyone else.
15. And the guardian angel went to the bright light and disappeared into it.
Soon a great thundering came
forth from it again, and it rose up into the air, shooting straight into
the sky.
16. Jmmanuel's mother and Mary Magdalene then departed, leaving the tomb.
17. The soldiers, however, recovered from their paralysis and were greatly
astonished. So they went into the
city to spread the news of what had happened.
18. And secretly they met with the chief priests and elders of the council
to decide what to tell the people.
19. The chief priests and elders gave sufficient money to the soldiers and
said, "Tell the people his disciples
came at night while we were sleeping and stole his body."
20. And the soldiers took the money and did as they had been instructed.
21. Mary and Mary Magdalene, however, left and did as they had been mandated
by the guardian angel.
22. And behold, again a guardian angel met them on their way and said,
"Remember what you have been instructed
to do. Be careful and do not inadvertently tell the people.”
23. Mary Magdalene approached the guardian angel, who wore a brilliant white
garment, and she wanted to
grasp his hand.
24. But he stepped back from her and said, "Do not touch me, because I am of
a different kind from you
and my garment is a protection against this world.
25. "If you touch me you will die and be consumed by fire.
26. "Step back from me and be on your way as you have been instructed."
27. So they departed, and they met Peter and another disciple, telling them
what had taken place.
28. Peter and the other disciple went to the tomb, with the other disciple
arriving there first.
29. And he looked into the tomb and saw the linen bandages lying neatly on
the ground, but he did not enter.
30. Then Peter arrived, went into the tomb and found everything just as the
other disciple had.
31. The bandages had been carefully folded and placed on the ground. The
sweat cloth, which had covered
Jmmanuel's head, had been placed on a particular spot, together with the
salves and herbs and clay figurines
of peculiar appearance, the likes of which he had never seen before.
Thus they were foreign to him.
Jmmanuel's Meetings with his Disciples
32. In the evening of the same day, the disciples were gathered in the room
in the city where they had taken
their last meal with Jmmanuel before Passover.
33. And they were in the room speaking to each other about what had happened
that day when, behold, the door
opened and a stranger entered whom they had never seen before.
34. And they were afraid that he might be one of the Israelites who wanted
to betray them.
35. But then the stranger said, "Peace be with you:' and when he took the
cloth from his face,
they recognized him as Jmmanuel.
36. After he had said that, he showed them his hands, his loin and his feet;
and when they saw his wounds,
they were happy he was among them.
37. But Thomas believed a ghost to be in front of him. So he said, "lf I
could touch your wounds, I would know
that you are not a ghost."
38. Then Jmmanuel said to him, "Reach out and place your hand on my wounds,
so that you of small mind may
recognize the truth:'
39. So Thomas did as he had been told, and he touched his wounds and said,
"Truly, it is you."
40. Then Jmmanuel departed, saying, "Guard the secret of my return, so it
will not be known that I am alive.
41. And behold, the next day the disciples set out for Galilee to spread the
joyful news among
Jmmanuel's supporters.
42. As other followers went along, behold, an itinerant joined them and for
part of the way walked with them.
43. They were sad and talked among themselves about how Jmmanuel had been
forced to die on the cross.
44. Then the itinerant, a stranger, said to them, "Why are you mourning?"
And they told him what grieved them.
45. But the itinerant said, "How little knowledge you yet have; Jmmanuel
told you he would rise from
near-death after three days and nights.
46. "So just as he has said, it has happened.”
47. After he had spoken he removed the cloth from his face and they
recognized him as Jmmanuel.
48. But he said nothing more, and again covering his face, he withdrew. And
he was not seen for a long time.
49. Long after Jmmanuel had disappeared, it came to pass that the disciples
were fishing on the Sea of Tiberias,
50. and they caught nothing the entire night, so by daybreak they were
exasperated.
51. And when they approached the shore, there stood a stranger who asked,
"Haven't you anything to eat? I'm hungry."
52. They answered, "No, we have not caught one fish in our nets."
53. Then the stranger said, "Throw the net out to the right side of the
boat, and you will have a large catch."
54. The disciples were astonished by what he said, but nevertheless cast the
net. And behold, they could not
pull it in because of the multitude of fish.
55. And they came ashore and prepared a meal, for like the stranger they,
too, were hungry.
56. But when he uncovered his face, behold, it was Jmmanuel.
57. And while they were eating and in good spirits, he said to them, "Go to
Galilee to such-and-such
mountain; there I will join you, because our time together has ended and
each of us may go his separate way.”
227 Chapter 32
Jmmanuel's Farewell
I. They went to the mountain to which Jmmanuel had directed them.
2. When they were gathered there, he said to them, "Behold, I will speak to
you one last
time; then I will leave and never return.
3. "My path leads me to the land of India where many of this human lineage
also dwell,
because they have left this land to live there.
4. "My mission leads me to them and to the human population that is born
there.
5. "My path there will be long, for I have yet to bring my teachings, new
and old, to many
countries, and likewise to the shores of the great black waters to the
north of here.
6. "But before I leave you, I will give you my final lessons of the
teachings:
7. "If humans live according to the laws of Creation, they live correctly in
truth.
But the ultimate goal should be this:
8. "Everything human within human beings must die, but everything of
Creation within them
must rise and embrace Creation.
9. "Consider the universe as the place where Creation lives in infinity.
10. "Everything humans possess has its origin in Creation; therefore it
belongs to Creation.
11. "Human beings shall transform their entire spiritual lives and perfect
them, so that
they will become one with Creation.
12. "Whatever human beings do, they shall do with the awareness of Creation's
presence.
13. "But a human being shall never attempt to force the truth onto another,
because then it
would only be worth half its value.
14. "First, humans shall tend to their own progress in consciousness and
spirit, so as to
produce Creational harmony within themselves.
15. "No greater darkness rules within humans than ignorance and lack of
wisdom.
16. "Greatness of personal victory requires uprooting and destroying all
influences that
oppose the Creational force, so that which is Creational may prevail.
17. "Humans should develop within themselves the power to judge over good and
evil and to
correctly perceive all things, so that they may be wise and fair and
follow the laws.
18. "It is necessary to be cognizant of what is real and what is unreal, what
is valuable
and what is worthless, and what is of Creation and what is not.
19. "Human beings must become a cosmic unity, so that they can become one
with Creation.
20. "Conform your lives to the laws; live according to the laws of nature,
then you will also
live according to the laws of Creation.
21. "Regardless of how much humans may suffer, the power of Creation within
them is immeasurably
greater, and it will conquer all ills.
22. "When human beings live within their consciousness only as mortal humans,
they are
inaccessibly remote from their spirit, from Creation and therefore
from its laws.
23. "The greater their dedication to the laws of Creation, the deeper will
become the peace
within them.
24. "The happiness of humans consists in seeking and finding the truth, so
they may thereby
gather knowledge, gain wisdom, and think and act in accordance with
Creation.
25. "Only through the circumstances of human life can humans develop and use
their Creational
powers in consciousness and in spirit.
26. "Humans gain experience in the use of their powers and capabilities only
by
trying daily to unlock them.
27. "As long as human beings do not become one with Creation, they will never
be able
to rise above death or near-death, since the fear of the unknown is
within them.
Only when they are able to fully recognize the perfection and unity of
Creation can they
slowly begin to acquire sublimity.
28. "instead of following instinctive and impulsive urges, humans should live
by cognition
and wisdom, so that they may live justly according to the laws and
directives.
29. "Humans should not lose their way in the thicket of limitations, but
should expand
their consciousness and seek and find knowledge, logic and truth, and
from these learn wisdom.
30. "Thereby they will come closer to their life's goal and become cognizant
of the Creational
principle in all things.
31. "Thousands of lights will guide humans along their path, provided they
observe and
follow them.
32. "Human beings will attain all their knowledge and wisdom, provided they
seriously
strive for perfection.
33. "The laws serve all those who are prepared to seek the truth in unlimited
measure
and to learn wisdom from them.
34. "For in mastering all possible orientations within themselves, they
develop their
spiritual powers to higher and higher levels, and in so doing they
perfect themselves.
35. "Humans should not attempt to dwell upon their physical misery, but upon
the reality
of the spirit and the existence of Creation.
36. "A continual restlessness exists within humans, because they have a
premonition that
Creation is their fate and destination.
37. "Humans may be great, wise and good, yet this is not sufficient, for they
can always
become greater, wiser and better.
38. "There may be no limits to love, peace and joy, because the present state
must
always be exceeded.
39. "Truly, I say to you, a love that is unlimited, constant and unfailing is
unconditional
and is a pure love, in whose fire all that is impure and evil will burn.
40. "Such a love is Creation's love and, therefore its laws as well, to which
humanity
has been predestined since the beginning of time.
41. "Since this is the ultimate destination for human beings, they must take
steps to
guarantee that this will come to be, for this is their destiny.
42. "But as yet humans do not understand the wisdom of this teaching, and
therefore
it is being adulterated everywhere on Earth.
43. "In their ignorance, humans are falsifying the teachings in many ways and
forms,
so that they are becoming diffused and unintelligible.
44. "But in two times a thousand years they shall be taught anew without
falsification,
when humans become sensible and knowledgeable, and a new age heralds
great upheavals.
45. "And it can be read in the stars that the people of the new age will be
great
revolutionaries. Thus, some special predestined people, who will be the
new proclaimers
of my teachings, will preach them unfalsified and with great courage.
46. "But you, go therefore and prepare the way for my teachings and make all
peoples
their disciples.
47. "However, beware of false teachings, which you may allow to arise because
of your lack
of judgment, for some of you are inclined that way.
48. "Teach them to follow everything I have commanded you, so you do not
falsify my teachings."
49. And it came to pass, that while he was speaking to them in this manner,
a thundering
came from the sky, and a great light descended.
50. The light settled on the ground not far from them, and it glittered like
metal
in the sunlight.
51. Jmmanuel spoke no more, but went to the metallic light and entered into
it.
52. Then, however, a haze arose all around it. Once again a thundering began
and the light
ascended back into the sky.
53. And the disciples returned to Jerusalem in secret and made known the
events
among their own kind.
235 Chapter 33
Jmmanuel in Damascus
I. Jmmanuel was set down by the great light in Syria, where he lived for two
years
in Damascus without being recognized.
2. After this time he sent a messenger to Galilee to seek out his brother,
Thomas,
and his disciple, Judas Iscariot.
3. Two months passed, however, before they joined Jmmanuel and brought bad
news.
4. His brother Thomas spoke, saying, "Your disciples have greatly falsified
your teachings;
they insult you by calling you the son of God and they also set you equal
to Creation.
5. "The chief priests and elders persecute your followers and have them
stoned when they are caught.
6. "But Thomas, one of your disciples, fled, and it is reported that he has
departed with a
caravan for the land of India.
7. "A great enemy of yours has arisen in a man named Saul.
8. "He is fuming with rage and utters death threats against your disciples
and those
who trust in your teachings.
9. "He is having letters written to the synagogues in all regions, whereby if
any followers
of your new teachings are found, they will be bound and taken to
Jerusalem.
10. "No distinction is being made between women, men and children. They will
all be found
guilty and condemned to die."
II. But Jmmanuel said, "Don't be afraid, the time will soon come when Saul
will receive a
lesson regarding his evil thinking.
12. "He is already on the road to Damascus, following you and Judas Iscariot
here now,
in order to lead you back to Jerusalem in shackles.
13. "However, I will confront him before he reaches Damascus, and since he
believes me dead,
he will presume he is seeing a ghost."
14. Jmmanuel set out to see a friend who was helpful to him in secret things
that involved
powders, salves and liquids that smelled bad.
15. Well supplied with these things, he departed, leaving the city by way of
the road to Galilee.
16. A day's trip from Damascus, he waited for two days in the rocks and
prepared his concoction.
17. During the night he saw a large group of armed men coming, among them
Saul, the persecutor
of his disciples.
18. When they were near, he struck a fire and tossed it into his concoction,
thus producing
a powerfully bright light that blinded the group.
19. Jmmanuel continued stoking the flaring concoction, so that powerful
flashes of light,
stars and fireballs shot into the sky or fell from it. All this was
accompanied by thundering
booms and loud hissing sounds, as if from gigantic dragons and serpents.
20. The thundering and booms subsided, as did the hissing. The blinding
flashes and the
multi-colored fires died down, yet stinging smoke continued to cover the
land and caused
the group to cough and shed tears.
21. Then Jmmanuel called out, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute my
disciples?"
22. But Saul was afraid and fell to the ground, crying out, "Who are you who
speaks to me
like this?"
23. And Jmmanuel answered, saying, "I am Jmmanuel whom you persecute in your
hatred,
along with my disciples.
24. "Get up. Go into the city and let yourself be taught how you should live."
25. Saul was very afraid and said, "But you are the one who was crucified. So
you are dead and
must be speaking to me as a ghost."
26. However Jmmanuel did not answer him. He left and headed for Damascus.
27. But the men who were Saul's companions stood still, petrified with fear,
because
they also believed they had heard a ghost.
28. Saul got up from the ground and opened his eyes. However, he saw nothing
because his eyes
were blinded, for he had stared directly into the bright light Jmmanuel
had generated.
29. His companions then took him by the hand and led him to Damascus,
30. and for three days he saw nothing, ate nothing and drank nothing.
31. However, one of Jmmanuel's disciples came to Saul and preached to him the
new teachings,
and gradually he accepted them.
32. But because of the events by the rocks, his mind was slightly confused.
He misunderstood much
and spoke incoherently.
33. Somewhat confused in his mind, he went away and preached incoherent
nonsense to the people.
34. Jmmanuel, however, remained in Damascus another thirty days and made it
known that he would be
leaving the country and traveling to the land of India.
35. His mother Mary came from Nazareth and set out on the road to the land of
India with Jmmanuel,
his brother Thomas, and Judas Iscariot.
36. And Jmmanuel began to preach again and teach the people wherever he
encountered them along
the way and in any settlement he came to.
37. There was a new strength within him and his teachings were more powerful
than before.
Harvey