Why UFO Cover-up/10 Major Reasons
1) Possibility of world-wide economic collapse due to introduction of
free energy and anti-gravity technologies.
2) Mass shock and world-wide panic.
3) Public unprepared for interaction with an alien species.
4) Trepidation from fundamental sects of Christianity and other
religions which strongly believe extraterrestrial life impossible. Any
such encounter with alien life forms would be considered contact with
"demons and satanic influences" since some Biblical authorities teach
that Satan is "prince of the air." Influential religious groups could
ignite a religious war.
5) Apprehension of invasion. Concern of human slavery, especially by
the upper class elites, and subsequent imprisonment by the colonizing
alien races.
6) The Military wants to figure out how the crafts and accompanying
technologies work, for weapons development. They would make
top-of-the-line weapons and delivery systems.
7) The Military needs to know how to defend against the same systems if
some other country's military figures it out before "we" do.
8) Mistrust and lack of confidence in the military might of the United
States, especially after spending $15 trillion dollars over the past 50
years. The greatest military force in the world would have to admit it
cannot prevent "abductions" since the aliens that pilot the
extraterrestrial crafts have superior flight and weapons technology.
9) New technology to prevent disease and increase aging would further
harm environment due to rapid overpopulation.
10) Debunkers would have to find real work, plus the "egg-on-the-face"
syndrome might adversely affect them.
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Re: Why UFO Cover-up/10 Major Reasons
From: "Frank W. Zammetti" <fzammett@fpsserv.com>
Art Wholeflaffer wrote:
1) Possibility of world-wide economic collapse due to introduction of free
energy and anti-gravity technologies.
Making the assumption that the aliens would be willing to share their
technology, or that we could get the technology in some other way,
neither of which can be assumed. In any case, many times in history, a
new invention has been seen as the thing that will collapse the economy
of all of mankind (the steam engine, the internal combustion engine,
the
advent of automated production facilities, just to name a few). And
each time, new, sometimes related areas of economic growth have grown
from these advances. It's simply not a valid argument.
2) Mass shock and world-wide panic.
The human race as a whole has been so conditioned through the popular
media to accept the possible existence of aliens that such a revelation
would not shock nearly as many people as you think. True, there would
be some incidents of mass shock and world-wide panic, but they would be
small pockets in the whole of our species. Some would say that this
conditioning part of a master plan. I don't know, but it's there none
the less.
3) Public unprepared for interaction with an alien species.
In some ways, this is true. In our own history, any time two separate
groups of people have met, there is usually hardships in the beginning
while both sides tries to learn the others' ways. But we've gotten
past
MOST of them (not enough unfortunately). We would do the same with an
alien species, MOST LIKELY. It could also be that they would be so
vastly different from ourselves in terms of their culture that we could
not overcome the differences. This would be, obviously, a very bad
circumstance.
4) Trepidation from fundamental sects of Christianity and other goofy religions
which strongly believe extraterrestrial life impossible. Any such encounter
with alien life forms would be considered contact with "demons and satanic
influences" since some Biblical authorities teach that Satan is "prince of the
air." Influential religious groups could ignite a religious war.
This is a very valid argument, although I don't like the way you use
the
term "goofy religions". No religion should ever be called goofy as it
is just a system of beliefs for certain people. We need to be more
accepting of people that believe differently than we do, but I'm not on
some crusade to change anyone's opinion. There probably would be some
problems for the established religions of the world, however, would
they
have any choice but to accept the existence of aliens when they land on
their own front lawns? As is the case throughout our history, things
will be interpreted by religions in the context of their beliefs. Yes,
some people would view aliens as demons, or even the opposite, angels.
Would there be religious wars? Perhaps, from some of the more radical
groups around the world, but again, I think your overstating a
reasonably small problem in terms of holy wars. We have them now, I
don't think they'd increase to any measurable degree.
5) Apprehension of invasion. Concern of human slavery, especially by the upper
class elites, and subsequent imprisonment by the colonizing alien races.
This is a reasonable concern. If aliens exist, and if the are visiting
earth, they obviously are at least as advanced technologically as we
are,
most likely more so. If their purpose was hostile, we would be in some
trouble, and I think it's reasonable to look at various scenarios for
defending ourselves seriously. They also may come down and be a bunch
of ET's, eating Reeses Pieces and talking funny, being no threat to us
at all. Invasion is a valid concern, but why is that a reason for a
cover-up? Indeed, if the government new there was an invasion
imminent,
or even possible, they would do well to tell us. Unless they have some
sinister plan for world domination by taking advantage of a marauding
alien race, but that is quite far-fetched, and also highly stupid on
their part, and as much as I distrust any government, I don't think
very
many are stupid outright!
6) The Military wants to figure out how the crafts and accompanying technologies
work, for weapons development. They would make top-of-the-line weapons and
delivery systems.
Could be, but again, why cover it up? There is so much talent and
knowledge in the private sector they would again be well served to tell
us the truth and let us all try and figure it out. In fact, it would
very likely be a boom for the economy, since the defense industry would
again be a hot-bed of employment as it was in years past.
7) The Military needs to know how to defend against the same systems if some
other country's military figures it out before "we" do.
Again, could be, but see my argument from above. It applies here as
well.
8) Mistrust and lack of confidence in the military might of the United States,
especially after spending $15 trillion dollars over the past 50 years. The
greatest military force in the world would have to admit it cannot prevent
"abductions" since the aliens that pilot the extraterrestrial crafts have
superior flight and weapons technology.
This could be. Embarrassment is often a reason for lying, especially
for
the government.
9) New technology to prevent disease and increase aging would further harm
environment due to rapid overpopulation.
It also would allow us to keep more livestock alive, probably give us
biological engineering capabilities to grow more food, etc., so world
hunger could potentially be reduced. So, the government is potentially
withholding knowledge that would save lives, which is the same thing as
murder to many people? Man, I HOPE your wrong about that one!
10) Debunkers would have to find real work, plus the "egg-on-the-face" syndrome
might adversely affect them.
A joke, no doubt, but, I kind of agree!
Re: Why UFO Cover-up/10 Major Reasons
From: Wil Mobberley <mobydick@mobydick.demon.co.uk>
In article <5nlg2j$tf0$1@host-3.cyberhighway.net>, "Art
Wholeflaffer" <smqueen@cyberhighway.net> writes
(SNIP 10 reasons)
You missed out number 11: Shame
The authorities handled our first major contact with visitors from
another world so appallingly badly that there would be a major outcry
if
it were revealed just how crass the behavior of the military had been.
Perhaps it may be a miracle that we are not engaged in a major
interplanetary war of our own making.
or number 12: Greed
The authorities have been so self seeking that the public would be
baying for blood if it knew how such a major event as contact with ETs
had been subverted for the selfish desires of a minority unfit to act
on
our behalf.
or number 13: New religions
Idiots would worship the ETs thinking them divine.
or number 14: Extremist racial groups etc.
Aspects of the ET behavior might be "politically incorrect". For
example, what if they abducted a statistically significantly lower
number of Afro Caribbean's or red heads, people from Belgium or any
other
group you care to think of? Are there statistics which could be used to
further the aims of extremist groups? Hard to argue with a superior
technology. If they don't think it worth abducting a certain group,
maybe that group is inferior after all...
or number 15: The Shangri La syndrome
The ET way of life is gentler, kinder, less selfish and therefore not
to
be placed before the public for comparison with our own governments.
or number 16: Nightmare
The truth is so awful, so terrifying and so inevitable that a high
level
decision was made to allow the human race a couple more generations of
"happiness/blissful ignorance" before all hell is let loose, on the
basis that if we are powerless anyway why burden people with something
awful for which they can do nothing to prepare? One example could be
the
need for ETs to acclimatize and assimilate our germs before they can
live down here. Perhaps the authorities know that the clock is ticking
and when the alarm bell goes off it's bad news for everybody.
or number 17: Incompetence.
Nobody will shoulder the responsibility of letting the information out.
It is so compartmentalized that nobody knows enough to act and would
lack the gumption if they did.
or number 18: Embarrassment to world press.
Disclosure of what many of us have suspected for so long, a final
admission, would show our media up as the spineless, witless bunch of
hypocritical cowards they really are. How on Earth did the powers that
be manage to hide everything and either secure the cooperation of (or
manage to outwit) for so long our politicians, our newspapers, TV news
stations, eminent scientists etc etc etc? When the truth finally comes
out, if I am still around, I will enjoy smirking in the faces of every
pompous Tom Dick and Harry who was so superior looking down on those of
us who knew that there was something going on. The worry for the
authorities would be that nobody would ever trust a newspaper headline
or government statement ever again. Almost certainly a movement would
begin demanding greater freedom of the press.
--
Wil Mobberley - 3D graphic artist
Web site: http://www.mobydick.demon.co.uk
almijisti@hotmail.com wrote on 10/7/98
On Thu, 01 Oct 1998 13:10:52 -0500, Mike Combs
<mikecombs@nospam.comchangenospam2ti> wrote:
Art Wholeflaffer A. S. A. wrote:
Why UFO Cover-up/10 Major Reasons
1) Possibility of world-wide economic collapse due to
introduction of free energy and anti-gravity technologies.
Hmmmmm... no one would be able to figure out how to make money off of
free energy and anti-gravity? Granted some companies would have to
change what they do, but really now!
Who needs UFOs for that? Nikola Tesla essentially discovered
free-energy at the turn of the century, or at least he believed he
did. In any event, once JP Morgan discovered that the research he had
been bankrolling would potentially lead to a free source of
electricity (at Wardenclyffe), he pulled the plug, so to speak, on
Tesla's research funding. That cost Tesla his reputation (which
would have easily exceeded Edison's just on the strength of AC
electricity, radio (patent taken from Marconi in Supreme Court
decision of 1947 because it was proven Tesla had invented radio before
his radio rival), bladeless turbine, discovery of plasma, invention of
a precursor of the fax machine, etc...Morgan's fear of free
electricity also may have cost the world the benefit of at least a
renewable source of electricity derived from thin air. No one to date
has ever challenged the well-documented Tesla experiments at Colorado
Springs in which he lit an entire mile of street lamps without wires
merely by converting the earth's natural magnetic field into
electo-magnetic waves in the form of radio waves, then converting them
back into electricity through the use of his Tesla Coils. In fact, he
outlined the principle in a famous series of lectures to the IEEE at
Columbia University in 1898. Indeed, if this principle is false, then
radios would not work. There are literally hundreds of persons,
including Edison, Mark Twain, several statesmen and other scientists
who witnessed Tesla's famous Ball of Plasma, which apparently was able
to stay intact in a box for several decades.
Roswell may be a wash, but even if there were a cover-up, it compares
nothing to the cover-up of the FBIs raid of Tesla's New York apartment
the day after he died. In fact, as recently as 1996, the United
States Congressional Committee on the Proliferation of Weapons of Mass
Destruction was unable to have the seized Tesla papers released. They
were concerned about the fact that the Aum Shinrikyo sect had access
to EMP weapons which they learned were based on Tesla's research. The
Soviets had access to Tesla's papers in his native Belgrade and
extensively used this research. The US did not officially take up EMP
weapons until SDI was proposed in the early 80s. Aum Shinrikyo had a
brilliant scientist working for them, one Taddeo Murai, who was
working on microwave beams used for cold-welding at the Kobi Steel
Works...anyway, the US Congressional Committee found out about Murai's
research and discovered that the US was also working on similar
weapons so they wanted to know just what the threat was; they
subpoened Tesla's papers from the FBI, but they claimed a National
Security privilege on these 50 year old papers. Think about that...a
Congressional Committee investigating perhaps the most significant
security threat at the turn of the millennium--terrorist access to
weapons of mass destruction--being unable to even look at Tesla's
papers (you see, he tended not to patent most of his stuff and most of
his research remained in note-form).
Anyway...who needs UFOs and Roswell to explain free energy and other
fancy shmancy shtuff when Humans had Nikola Tesla all along?
3) Public unprepared for interaction with an alien species.
All these movies and TV shows have left us totally unprepared for the
concept of alien species? You must avoid SF pretty well.
really now...if aliens do exist and ever made an undeniable
appearance, it would perhaps be the most significant event in recorded
human history. the theological ramifications for the great world
religions would be enormous, as would geo-political after effects.
Movies and TV cannot even come close to a scintilla of the real effect
of a public alien arrival.
4) Trepidation from fundamental sects of Christianity and
other religions which >>would be considered contact with
"demons and satanic influences" since some Biblical
authorities teach that Satan is "prince of the air."
Influential religious groups could
ignite a religious war.
You might be on to something here, although I wouldn't worry about a
Jihad myself. Christianity was finally able to accomodate a round
Earth, and a sun-centered solar system. I think they would be able to
adjust.
But those other beliefs never were fundamental to the religion itself,
but were outgrowths of Xtianity's dependence upon Aristotelean
philosophy after Thomas. Alien life raises crucial questions about
the soul, the nature of salvation, and the afterlife that geocentrism
and flat-earth (never really a Xtian idea, btw) never did.
5) Apprehension of invasion. Concern of human slavery,
especially by the upper class elites, and subsequent
imprisonment by the colonizing alien races.
I think aliens capable of crossing interstellar distances could build
artificial servants who would be far more efficient than mere human
beings. Alien enslavement is an SF notion.
why say this? slavery has, historically speaking, almost always been
economically stupid, yet that hasn't stopped people from taking
slaves. Slavery is about power and control, not production or
economics. Who's to say that aliens wouldn't be tyrannical?
6) The Military wants to figure out how the crafts and
accompanying technologies work, for weapons development.
They would make top-of-the-line weapons and delivery systems.
This is a bit more reasonable. So when can we expect quantum leaps in
our weapons capabilities? Or are they so secret that they can never be
used?
always a problem with the "alien-technology" argument. However, see
above discussion of Tesla--again, we don't need aliens to give us
superior technology. humans are quite capable without that.
9) New technology to prevent disease and increase
aging would further harm environment
due to rapid overpopulation.
So we couldn't learn enough about space travel to colonize space from
beings who had come to us from another star system? Do you have any
notion how many people would fit into our solar system alone?
overpopulation is a hoax anyway. the problem is overpopulation in
industrial economies. otherwise the world can get a hundred times
more populous and the resources are there to use--its the global
distribution system and the waste in rich countries that is the
problem, not overpopulation per se that is the problem. Alien
visitation would have no effect on that, as far as i can see.
Let's face facts. The rationales we keep getting for the Massive
Government Coverup are seriously weak on logic.
--
agreed to a point. massive coverup is simply implausible on its face
as an impossibility to anyone who works in any large organization can
tell you. news travels really really fast, especially within a gov't.
the problem, though, is lack of communication and general ignorance
which can effectively work as an unintentional cover-up. the vast
majority of documented sightings are actually made by military
personnel (or so i am led to believe by the evidence out there), but
if their superiors think the sighters were just drunk or doped up (a
common reason why so many Vietnam sightings were dismissed out of
hand), that isn't a cover up, but it is a failure to investigate out
of ignorance and/or a lack of communication about the sighting to the
proper channels.
-lfr
From: sphinx@world.std.com (SPHINX Technologies)
TYGHOCK <tyghock@aol.com> wrote:
They kept it pretty DAMNED quiet for several years. It could just as well
have been several decades, except that they decided to USE the thing.
Very unlikely. Secrets of great urgent nature will get out, especially if there
are very interested and determined parties after them, and they have the
potential for huge human interest and big bucks.
If you think the a-bomb would have been secret for decades, I suggest you and I
have a very different viewpoint of human nature - and mine is supported by
history (people DO find out the big and important things).
I think it WAS kept rather secret, from the American public anyway,
until it was time to use it. True, a lot of neighbors must have seen
weird flashes of light in the sky when they tested it (neighbors being
500 miles away or whatever). And true, there was some speculation in
the press, at least in sci-fi magazines and whatnot, about atomic
bombs,
but just as with the UFO today, the mainstream press was clueless about
the deadly serious classified project that was going on.
Chinese got our nukes.
Not surprising
But HUGE, important, heavily in need of guarding...and it got out.
Bad security practices. Basic idea of nukes not classified at all.
Casual attitudes. Scientists not properly inculcated with the idea
that
security was important. Etc. etc.
And UFOs
(by believer's definition) fit this bill too. Face it, it's a match.
Nope. Very existence of UFOs classified. Fact of gummint's interest
in them denied. Fact of govt's intense and highly classified interest
in 'em highly classified "higher even than the H-Bomb", according to
one document.
Dumb comments department. NASA is not (overtly, at least) the military.
Not dumb, on point. Unless you're now saying that
NASA has NOTHING to do with
hiding UFOs? If they do, then bingo
- their security is seriously breached.
My guess is that one part of NASA is in pretty deep. Astronauts have
had
firsthand sightings, some of 'em at least. Ground support staffs have
seen anomalies on radar, in photos, and quite probably in classified
comms link chatter. There was that NASA artist for example who
reported
that one of her jobs was to air-brush out UFOs from photos. (There
was
even an "anomaly" in the first Moon landing mission, Apollo 9 was it?
I remember seeing a large luminous object hanging motionless just above
the crater rim, to the right of the TV image. Nobody ever mentioned
it.
I wondered if it was a camera artifact or a real object. Looked sort
of
saucer-shaped, and I remember joking to my wife that "look, there's a
UFO
hovering there in the background, watching..." Seems to me it HAS been
airbrushed out of the modern "file tapes" from that broadcast, 'cuz I
looked for it and didn't see it in there when they were doing the
re-runs
in '94 for the twenty-fifth anniversary. :^)
Then there are doubtless a whole lot of honest people working for NASA
and
for contractors who really don't have any knowledge of any UFO
information,
and truthfully say so when asked. Just as there are a lot of people at
NASA who aren't in the loop for the classified mission payloads.
But no saucers. Either you say NASA has no hand in
'The GReat UFO Coverup' or you admit such a coverup
through NASA would be impossible (oh, I know, the old
'compartmentalization' argument is coming again...
didn't work for the nukes,
or the a-bomb, or NASA, but HEY, works great for UFOs!!).
NASA is compartmented. They do have a hand in the protection of
classified
information about UFOs. Just as with protection of classified
information
pertaining to classified payloads, presumably sp00k satellites and
whatnot.
What they are charged with protecting, they do a fairly good job of,
apparently. Various things leak, the leaks are denied with a straight
face,
and the media either believe the lies or play along. The leaks have
been
"discredited", so as far as the public is concerned, no "official" leak
has occurred.
I don't suppose foreign counterintelligence organizations are always
fooled,
however. Maybe some of the time.
I really don't follow your version of "logic" here. No, I assert that
a "coverup" as you call it, really the protection of classified
information
from NASA's point of view, is ongoing. A lot of things have leaked.
Most likely some other things have BEEN leaked, the more ridiculous
the merrier. Very possibly Hoagland and Bell and others are on staff,
gleefully and ambiguously doing the mixing so the "opposition"
hopefully
won't figure out which is real and which is bogus. Along with Twit and
the inimitable Dean Adams of recent memory, etc. As a result there is
a certain amount of residual ambiguity about exactly what is true, but
actually not very much in the minds of those that matter.
NASA's problem is that it's a mix
of two cultures -- wide open Earth Science,
and the inner sanctum that
deals with much more sensitive matters.
I agree with you here. It's just another reason
the security breaches within are so dangerous.
Evidently not all that dangerous. I don't see any evidence yet that
any serious adversary has figured out any really IMPORTANT secrets.
Then again, they might well not advertise it. And they might well not
be able to DO much about it. Although there were some cryptic remarks
in the news when the Cox report was about to come out which made me
wonder
if the Chinese had not gotten secrets relating to UFOs and UFO-derived
technology while they were not getting any of our nuclear secrets (to
hear them tell it).
I don't know if the government is hiding info on UFOs -
I can see that. Yes, they are.
but I suspect if they
are, the info they have is either inconclusive or pretty small.
Your suspicions are childishly naive.
Any large scale
coverup (underground cities, etc) of something
that newsworthy, would get out
under its own weight.
Yeah, right. Like the bunker under the Greenbriar Resort Hotel? How
long
did THAT remain so to speak buried before it became known to the
public?
Of course, as Twit has pointed out in the parallel post that I read
before starting this one, that's different from HFI agencies (Hostile
Foreign Intelligence) finding out.
It's one thing to be a scientist working on guided
missile tech, and not clue the media or sell it -
it's quite another to be sitting on something as grand
and newsworthy as aliens.
Not if your ability to earn a living and stay out of prison are at
stake.
Anybody in on that sort of thing, with a clearance, would think twice
before leaking it in a traceable way. There have been all kinds of
leaks,
but also lots of intentional leaks designed to spread confusion and
disbelief. The only problem is deciding which is which! Which is what
makes the whole UFO scene such a FUN puzzle to try to decipher.
Is Twit just a dumb geeky scientist who slings factoids around without
benefit of a right brain to interpret what they REALLY mean? Or is he
a paid Gummint Dissinfo Agent, nefariously trying to discredit all
those
who pose a danger of revealing the True Nature of the Grand Conspiracy?
Are you just a half-hearted Skeptik, or are you the "Good Cop" to
Twit's "Bad Cop"? And am *I* really a True Believer, or am I really
part of the Disinformation Conspiracy, pulling people further and
further
out on a limb of plausibility, until finally we saw it off behind you?
:^)
Ah, that's what makes it all so much FUN, eh Bre'r Blue? Heheheh...
:^)
-John S.
Acting Deputy Director for Propaganda, MAJESTIC/PI-40
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Author: Frog <FrogRemailer@bigfoot.com>
Right. My two cents, the UFO cover-up needs to be understood in a
larger
context. If it turns out to be the case that our 'elected leaders'
are not, in fact, serving the people, but the interests of an
elite 'cabal', and that bloodlines and genetics plays an important
role in this, the cover-up is in fact part of a larger agenda of
control
and manipulation. It may be off-topic, but you
might want to check out David Icke's 'Alice in Wonderland and the
World Trade Center Disaster (Why the official story of 9/11 is a
monumental
lie) Bridge of Love publications.
My point is this. The UFO question is a can of worms for the
government,
or more precisely, the globalist elite that control the government,
because it is
an open door to TRUTH; Free energy, which brings to mind Art's
excellent
post on the 10 questions of why a cover-up and 'Ben' who brings up the
question
of Nicola Tesla - i.e., why did the military obtain, through dubious
legal means,
a trunkload of documents relating to Tesla's inventions, (supposedly
'lost'
in the 'system', duh,) which they now utilize as longitudinal wave
(scalar) covert weaponry while suppressing the important benefits to
humanity that zero point energy would have provided. And, if it weren't
for those same suppressing interests, might still provide... (Check out
www.cheniere.org for the crucial work of Thomas Bearden and his
Motionless
Electromagnetic Generator which may like others before it, disappear
down a
black hole)
It's part of the agenda to isolate and disempower humanity. Reconnect
to
your true spiritual potential, and, knowledge of humanity's true
(extremely ancient))
origins, means exposing the truth about our 'visitors' some of whom may
be good
for us, and some definitely ain't. Either way our DNA has been
manipulated from day one; but this question of a cover-up is a complex
one and needs to be understood from
the point of view of who currently controls the planet.