In article <JzIGf.35529$494.32653@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>, manic_mandy@hotmail.com 
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In news:dse7vn$h1i$1@lust.ihug.co.nz,
Your Name Here=Harvey <kiwi@ing.notin.aus> typed:

In past times in history - the Christians were as bad as the Muslims
or
worse with their fanatical beliefs, and have held the world back from
advancing forward - such as that of Galileo's ideas, which he could
not freely express,

I wouldn't deny that violence has been done in the name of Chritianity, and
Christianity has in some cases tried to hold back progress by attemting to
surpress ideas at varience with sriptural teachings. Galileo is one and
obvioisly a lot of Christian groups are still ranting on about evolution.

But on the other hand it is difficult to seperate the development and
advances of Western society from the influence of Christianity and although
Christianity is not the only religion that has worked to establish
sophisticated societies. I don't think one could argue Islam has encouraged
much progress, considering Muslim societies are entirely reliant on Western
and indeed Far Eastern Technology.

I don't think it is solely the western world/countries that has contributed
towards the industrialisation and modernisation of this world.
In that every country has played it's part, and we borrow or steal
from other societies - key ideas. In mathematics, historians will
say that our numeric system came from... and that the zero from..
etc etc with key inventions too...

And all Islamic countries have embraced western technology and development.
They had no choice, I guess - same for any country not wanting isolation
and the benefits of modern living (better health care and a better standard
of living). Western technology isn't entirely western though.
We know that Asia has played a significant hand in technological advances.

and you should know full well of the religious

wars Christianity was involved in --- and how it has decimated
indigenous
cultures when it invaded new territories where Christianity was not
present before.
Acts of violence has been made, in the name of Jesus - it may not be
in our most recent history, but nonetheless it should be recognised.

Well yes I realise there was Slavery and people from the West didn't go into
these places to give away refrigerators and Chevrolets But OTOH though
disease and starvation have always existed and many of these so called
indigenous societies were little more than savages, performing things like
human sactifice and eating their own children. Things that are now illegal
in every country of the World and it was the West that put a stop to such
things.

One form of slavery has changed from one form to another.
One set of injustices, swapped for another set.
Slavery and injustices still remain.

Should we be concerned about the minority Muslim fundamentalists?
at all? They are not the majority of the mainstream muslims.

Well that is true. I have Muslim friends myself and they are not like the
lunatics shown in the media.

It should be noted that the events of 9-11 is something we should know
the truth of - about it. That the official story of 9-11 does not
add up to the facts about 9-11, and that the whole series of events,
that we are told, does not add up to the official story.
We are not told the truth about this so-called pivotal event in recent
history.

Well one thing I can tell you is some Mosques in the UK were under
surveillance a long time before 9/11 and in fact this has not only been
confirmed by the BBC I used to live a street down from a Mosque in an end of
terrace house with net curtains and could observe activities in the street
without detection. I noted there were people hanging about in cars at
certain times of the day and there were shift changes one could practically
set your watch by and like one saw the same people in the same positions on
a daily basis even on weekends. At the time I came to the conclusion these
people were plain clothes Police MI5 etc I also pointed it out to some of my
friends (in case I was going Mad) what seemed to be going on, and yes even
some of my friends at least one of whom is ex-security forces also noticed
these activities and agreed with my suspicions.  Well actually they were
plain clothes police it wasn't paranoia we weren't seeing things and this
has now more or less been confirmed by something said by the BBC. Though
best not to say too much as to the location or what this was connected with,
because there are good reasons for such covert activities, though they could
be a bit more covert, bearing in mind people are quite observant. :)

The truth can be evil - when we know exactly who are behind this and
that. They are the ones who manipulated the events all along.
I wonder if we will ever know?

I have taken a look at the conspiracy theories but when you actually see
what these extremist are like and have seen with your own eyes the fact that
some of these people have been kept under survailence by the police for a
decade or more. I do believe the terrorists actually exist and were capable
of perpetrating 9/11 and I'm not getting my information entirely from the
media or the Internet I have made my own observations.
-- 
Amanda

There are definitely information about the whole 9-11 official story,
that does not add up, particularly the Pentagon strike being not what we
are told about it.
One excellent video about it, summing it up, is Barrie Zwicker's
"The Great Conspiracy - The 9-11 News Special You Never Saw" presents
a history of the US Government past conspiracies and coverups, leading up
to 9-11, to show that the US Government does resort to lying and misleading
the public, when it suits them.
A key note about the Twin Towers, is how the US Government would not allow
independent engineers/analysts onto the twin towers site, to inspect the debris,
and how the debris was always off limits to them.
There was never an open investigation into the whole 9-11 incident.
No independent studies were allowed.
There is a key point mentioned, that the fire caused by the jet fuel burning
was not enough to cause the collapse of the twin towers, at the steel columns.

Harvey