In article <4473b7c9.1548783@nntp.charter.net>, SpamTrap@spamcop.com says...

Furiously scratching in the sand, you@somehost.somedomain.aus (Your
Name Here=Harvey) wrote:

Yeah well, who do you believe?
The scientists who say, if they were intelligent? They would contact us...

Or your own eyes and ears - to know this world is so backward
and barbaric that no intelligent life would want to contact us.

And what is truth? What is true...?
Seeing "What happened on the Moon".... shows that the Apollo moon landings
were all faked - because of the many inconsistancies in the equipment,
which did not make it possible to carry out the mission, nor able to
record it, as in the photographic images. The photographic equipment
were not made space or moon-proof, therefore they were all faked.

You obviously believe in the mainstream media, and that of popular
public opinion, as being the 'truth' and anything outside that,
could not possibly be true...

So essentially what you believe is that when is comes to UFOs, (and
the moon landings) anything the government says is a lie... anything
that a scientist says is a lie.... and anything that the "mainstream
media" says is a lie.  So it really doesn't matter to you at all what
they say, or what they can prove- its all automatically a lie.

OTOH, the above is a collection of people who should know; very smart
people educated way beyond the 8th grade; and people who are by
definition highly skeptical of of the first two groups.  And yet-
these three groups agree on the subject of UFOs (and the Moon
landings).

On the other hand, you find that doing all your "research" only at
sites dedicated to "exposing" these "lies" now makes you knowlegable
on these subjects.  I don't suppose that it ever occured to you to
spend an equal amount of time at sites detailing the other side of the
stories. I didn't think so.  In particular, there are several really
good sites dealing with the bonanza of information that was gleaned

>from all the science done as a result of the moon walks, and the stuff

they brought back.

Regarding UFO's, there is not one case on the record that clearly
points to a exterrestial flying craft.  Not one!  There are plenty of
wild stories, easily debunked[1] "sightings", and lots of cons that
have enthralled the faithful for years.  The belief in UFOs is nothing
more than a mild case of mass hysteria brought on by years of
Hollywood hype enthralling the easily gulled.

For evidence of UFOs, look at photographs taken in times in which
there was no home computer running Photoshop, in which original negatives
were examined, and was found not to be hoaxed.

And if no negatives were available, whether those photographs do stand
up examination by other means - ie. using only original prints.

For the story about whether the Apollo Moon Landings were authentic or
not, simply look at "What Happened on the Moon" which presents a lot of
details which show that many things are in question as to the authenticity
of the Apollo Moon program.
It does review basic details about photography - and why the official
photographs are not authentic...

All through your education, say in mathematics, you are taught 
problem solving, and to use reason and logic towards finding solutions.
Well, use that reason and logic in reviewing the above comments I've
written. Do some basic research, look into it.

Once you've seen "What Happened on the Moon" and then watch any of the
official NASA footage and photographs, you can then say - Oh, that is
a studio setup there, see the multiple shadows, the fill in lighting, or
the sun is much too large than it should be, etc etc - and see if there
is anything that looks 'authentic'? after discounting that which appear
to be faked.

I don't say that every UFO photograph is genuine - as some are
certainly faked. But we should now be able to identify certain types
of craft as belonging to certain UFO groups, ie. German type, Meier-Plejaren
type, etc etc. At least that would be a beginning...

We can't trust what the US Government says all the time. 9-11 is a prime
example of why we shouldn't. Same for the story about the Oklahoma City
bombing - in which the truth about that, has not come out in the mainstream
media yet...
We should use the same method to check out whether anything is true or not?
And apply that to everything, so that we can be sure of what we know,
and to accept nothing less than the truth.

Harvey

EW

[1]  "A thing cannot be 'debunked' unless it is filled with bunk to
begin with!"  - Robert Scheaffer