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Amanda Angelika wrote:

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On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 07:06:56 +0000 (UTC),
you@somehost.somedomain.aus (Your Name Here=Harvey) wrote:

...the WTC were demolished with thousands of pounds of thermite, a
B-25 Mitchell is the equivalent of a Boeing 767, a building
crumbling from the top down looks just like a controlled
demolition, steel doesn't get weaker when heated, Mossad obviously
demolished the WTC at the direction of GWB, posting untrue things
makes other things untrue...

What were Al Queda's motives for the 9/11 attacks?

Since when do religious lunatics need any motive for their actions
other than religious lunacy?  More wars have been fought, and lives
lost in the name of one god or another, than for any other
reason....EVER.

The problem with that argument is religions are a means of social control.
and wielding power over others. This is particularly so of Patriarchal
religions such as Islam. So whilst you may get fanatics at grassroots level
the leaders might not even believe in God.

I don't think it takes a genius to realise what the consequences of
attacking a Superpower are going to be, the result has been very
predictable. So unless they wanted the US to invade Afghanistan and
Iraq and kill thousands of Arabs, and consolidate the position of
Israel, which is very unlikely since it would appear to be against
everything Al Queda actually stand for I can't honestly see a motive.

One can have all the circumstantial and hearsay evidence in the
World. However without a clear and plausible motive it is worth Jack
Shit.

I don't know about where you live, but here in the U.S. you don't
need to prove motive to get any kind of criminal conviction with the
exception of a so-called "hate crime".  Sure it helps your case if
you can, but it's not required by the law.

Even in the States you have different degrees of murder. If can't prove a
motive then you can't prove Murder 1. Since obviously killing someone by
accident is not really murder and in that case the severity of the charge
would depend whether a defendant were found to blame through negligence
and/or recklessness. So you do have to prove a motive and evidence and
motives have to correspond in order to build a case.

Generally evidence is meaningless without a motive, and since the events of
911 involve the killing and maiming of thousands of innocent victims it's a
murder and the motive is just as important as the evidence in finding out
who was responsible.
-- 
Amanda

Was Bin Laden just used as a scapecoat for 9-11???

http://www.911review.com/articles/usamah/khilafah.html


UMMAT: You have been accused of involvement in the attacks in New York and 
Washington. What do you want to say about this? If you are not involved, 
who might be? 

USAMA BIN LADEN: In the name of Allah (God), the most beneficent, 
the most merciful. Praise be to Allah, Who is the creator of the whole 
universe and Who made the Earth as an abode for peace, for the whole 
humankind. Allah is the Sustainer, who sent Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon 
him) for our guidance. I am thankful to the Ummat Group of Publications, 
which gave me the opportunity to convey my viewpoint to the people, 
particularly the valiant and momin (true Muslim) people of Pakistan 
who refused to believe the lies of the demon (Pakistani military dictator 
General Pervez Musharraf). 

I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the 
United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no 
knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, 
children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids 
causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice 
is forbidden even in the course of a battle. It is the United States, 
which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children and common 
people of other faiths, particularly the followers of Islam. All that is 
going on in Palestine for the last 11 months is sufficient to call the wrath 
of God upon the United States and Israel. There is also a warning for those 
Muslim countries, which witnessed all these as a silent spectator. 
What had earlier been done to the innocent people of Iraq, Chechnya and 
Bosnia? Only one conclusion could be derived from the indifference of the 
United States and the West to these acts of terror and the patronage of the 
tyrants by these powers that America is an anti-Islamic power and it is 
patronizing the anti-Islamic forces. Its friendship with the Muslim countries 
is just a show, rather deceit. By enticing or intimidating these countries, 
the United States is forcing them to play a role of its choice. 
Put a glance all around and you will see that the slaves of the 
United States are either rulers or enemies of Muslims. 

The U.S. has no friends, nor does it want to keep any because the 
prerequisite of friendship is to come to the level of the friend or 
consider him at par with you. America does not want to see anyone equal 
to it. It expects slavery from others. Therefore, other countries are either 
its slaves or subordinates. However, our case is different. 
We have pledged slavery to God Almighty alone and after this pledge 
there is no possibility to become the slave of someone else. 
If we do that it will be disregardful to both our Sustainer and his 
fellow beings. Most of the world nations upholding their freedom are the 
religious ones, which are the enemies of the United States, or the U.S. 
itself considers them as its enemies. 

The countries which do not agree to become the U.S. slaves are China, Iran, 
Libya, Cuba, Syria [Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iraq, Sudan, 
Indonesia, Malaysia] and Russia. Whoever committed the act of 11 September 
are not the friends of the American people. I have already said that we are 
against the American system, not against its people, whereas in these 
attacks, the common American people have been killed. According to my 
information, the death toll is much higher than what the U.S. Government 
has stated. But the Bush Administration does not want the panic to spread. 
The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks 
within itself; the people who are a part of the U.S. system, but are 
dissenting against it. Or those who are working for some other system; 
persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict 
between Islam and Christianity so that their own civilization, nation, 
country, or ideology could survive. They can be anyone, from Russia to 
Israel and from India to Serbia. In the U.S. itself, there are dozens of 
well-organized and well-equipped groups, which are capable of causing a 
large-scale destruction. Then you cannot forget the American-Jews, 
who are annoyed with President Bush ever since the elections in Florida 
and want to avenge him. 

Then there are intelligence agencies in the U.S., which require billions of 
dollars worth of funds from the Congress and the government every year. 
This [funding issue] was not a big problem till the existence of the former 
Soviet Union but after that the budget of these agencies has been in danger. 
They needed an enemy. So, they first started propaganda against Usama and 
Taleban and then this incident happened. You see, the Bush Administration 
approved a budget of 40 billion dollars. Where will this huge amount go? 
It will be provided to the same agencies, which need huge funds and want 
to exert their importance. Now they will spend the money for their expansion 
and for increasing their importance. I will give you an example. 
Drug smugglers from all over the world are in contact with the U.S. secret 
agencies. These agencies do not want to eradicate narcotics cultivation and 
trafficking because their importance will be diminished. The people in the 
U.S. Drug Enforcement Department are encouraging drug trade so that they 
could show performance and get millions of dollars worth of budget. 
General Noriega was made a drug baron by the CIA and, in need, he was made a 
scapegoat. In the same way, whether it is President Bush or any other 
U.S. President, they cannot bring Israel to justice for its human rights 
abuses or to hold it accountable for such crimes. What is this? Is it not 
that there exists a government within the government in the United Sates? 
That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. 

UMMAT: A number of world countries have joined the call of the United States 
for launching attacks on Afghanistan. These also include a number of 
Muslim countries. Will Al-Qa'idah declare a jihad against these Islamic 
countries as well? 

USAMA BIN LADEN: I must say that my duty is just to awaken the Muslims; 
to tell them as to what is good for them and what is not. What does Islam 
say and what do the enemies of Islam want. Al-Qa'idah was set up to wage a 
jihad against infidelity, particularly to counter the onslaught of the 
infidel countries against the Islamic states. Jihad is the sixth undeclared 
pillar of Islam. [The first five being the basic holy words of Islam 
("There is no god but God and Muhammad is the messenger of God"), prayers, 
fasting (in Ramadan), pilgrimage to Mecca and giving alms (zakat).] 
Every anti-Islamic person is afraid of jihad. Al-Qa'idah wants to keep 
jihad alive and active and make it a part of the daily life of the Muslims. 
It wants to give it the status of worship. We are not against any Islamic 
country. We do not consider a war against an Islamic country as jihad. 
We are in favour of armed jihad only against those infidel governments, 
which are killing innocent Muslim men, women and children just because 
they are Muslims. Supporting the U.S. act is the need of some Muslim 
countries and the compulsion of others. However, they should think as to 
what will remain of their religious and moral position if they support the 
attack of the Christians and the Jews on a Muslim country like Afghanistan. 
The orders of Islamic Shariah [jurisprudence] for such individuals, 
organizations and countries are clear and all the scholars of the Muslim 
brotherhood are unanimous on them. We will do the same, which is being 
ordered by the Ameer-ul-Momeneen [the commander of the faithful] 
Muhammad Omar [leader of the Taleban] and the Islamic scholars. 
The hearts of the people of Muslim countries are beating with the call of 
jihad. We are grateful to them. 

UMMAT: The losses caused in the attacks in New York and Washington have 
proved that giving an economic blow to the U.S. is not too difficult. 
U.S. experts admit that a few more such attacks can bring down the American 
economy. Why is Al-Qa'idah not targeting their economic pillars? 

USAMA BIN LADEN: I have already said that we are not hostile to the 
United States. We are against the [U.S. Government] system, which makes 
other nations slaves of the United States, or forces them to mortgage their 
political and economic freedom. This system is totally in the control of the 
American Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States. 
It is clear that the American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews 
and are forced to live according to the principles and laws laid down by 
them. So the punishment should reach Israel. In fact, it is Israel, 
which is giving a blood bath to innocent Muslims and the U.S. is not 
uttering a single word. 


Harvey