In article <I19pg.15899$1g.5824@newsfe1-win.ntli.net>, manic_mandy@hotmail.com says...

In news:e82s5a$vna$1@lust.ihug.co.nz,
Your Name Here=Harvey <you@somehost.somedomain.aus> typed:

In article <Oh0pg.74456$uP.37166@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>,
manic_mandy@hotmail.com says...

In news:mre8a25qk31bq9bmrk33nrp3ugdb0h0mun@4ax.com,
Widdershins <sinistre@liripipe.com> typed:

Oh, Christ! Another saucerhead. That would explain a lot!

There's considerably more evidence of alien flying saucers than
there is of Jesus Christ. :)
--
Amanda

If you want to read up about the 'Jesus' story, I think the most
accurate account is probably the 'Talmud Jmmanuel' material.
www.tjresearch.info/tjheresy.htm

See Ed T Martin's "King of Travellers - Jesus Lost Years in India"
book.

This version of events, says that Jesus was not called Jesus in his
time,
but that Christianity coined 'Jesus' after the events took place, and
made up some of it. ie. The resurrection did not take place, and
Judas the
apostle did not betray Jesus, that was another man, also named Judas.
That Jesus was called Jmmanuel, instead.

If you wish to read the TJ text, I have it available here...
http://plain2.tripod.com/tj.txt

Harvey

Yes I've seen some of that material. It has been around a long time. Well I
think if I remember rightly the Nazis had some kooky idea about Jesus being
Arian as opposed to Jewish. Not sure if these ideas actually stem from those
ideas, but there do seem to be some worrying connections.
-- 
Amanda

No, there is no tie as you may have suggested.
To get to the truth of the matter, though one goes towards the kooky
area - the unexplained area because what the establishment says, holds
no water. Power corrupts absolutely - and so insitutions have become
corrupt, whether it be religion (with their dogma and rhetoric),
academic authorities (wow, they suddenly became 'expert' in their fields,
and then start acting like they know everything...), governments (Democracy
doesn't work, many voters vote not to participate at all for all kinds of
reasons - laziness, complete disbelief in honesty of politicians and their
political system, etc).
You have to doubt everything to know what you know.

There is an excellent summary of the TJ teachings here
http://www.avilabooks.com/Jmmanuel.htm
But the introduction would scare off a lot of potential readers, and I'll
probably recomend getting straight into the teachings themselves, and judge
that material first.
Say about here?
http://www.avilabooks.com/Jmmanuel3.htm
(or to page 2 or 4 even...)

What does scare people away, is owning up to the ET connection of where
the term God comes from, that origin (the same origin for all terms of gods
in all cultures, they are of the same origin) and then redefining god as 
how it was intended to be. An overseer (normal physical human with no
super supernatural powers) of the development of the human race for this
planet. But to leave this information out, is not to cover the complete
truth about everything, which this material does cover.

What this world needs to do, is to realign itself to what is truthful and
recognise that which isn't. See the Commandments on Page 4...
These commandments do cover everything, that will get us back towards a
more peaceful, harmonious and truthful society. Readdressing why religion
has failed us.

There is of course, no saving of souls to be done. That was a religious
lie - there's only a saving from the rhetoric and dogma crap that religion
has flung at us. We all automatically live on in the afterlife, no matter
what we have done here, whatever punishment happens will be when we judge
ourselves for our own actions and own up to them.
Anyway there is a lot to absorb, to realise what is truthful and what isn't.

Harvey