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dre <v> typed:

Amanda Angelika schreef:

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dre <v> typed:

But both populist mainstream science, philosophy and religion has
an irrational belief that we are either the centre of the universe
or the centre of creation.

huh?

science believes this?
get real...

Scienific theories are based on philosopy and that's just another
way of saying religion.

well ,so is believing in aliens, you are also a
product of religion and this makes you see the way
see aliens.
why do you think you are better than scientists
and holds the holy grail?
i bet only because you claim to have an "open mind"?
i claim this also,i am willing to acccept aliens
if they land on my lawn and take me for a trip
between the stars,oh hell...only land on my lawn
is enough!
or crash in a city,
or hawkings can give proof of them.
that's ALL...

I don't think it's supposed to work like that. If ETs exist and have been
visiting earth for millennia then it seems highly likely to me they set up
the Worlds religions in order  to help create social order and human
development.

If that is true and we knew that for certain then religion as we know it at
present would totally collapse. Whether or not the World is ready for such a
revelation is debatable. I suppose one could argue given that most of the
problems in our world are caused by religion the time has come for the truth
to be revealed. But at the end of the day it doesn't matter what I think or
even what our governments think since it would be entirely up to the ETs to
supply such conclusive and irrefutable evidence and that sort of
interference may not be in their agenda.

However at present we have a situation where in some parts of the World
where we are scientifically advanced and educated to the extent that we can
read the evidence for ourselves and the documented evidence does appear to
point to extensive ET involvement in human affairs for thousands and
thousands of years. Obviously if one is scientifically advanced, reasonably
well educated and have a resource such as the Internet where one can access
unprecedented amounts of information then certain things that were once
interpreted by our ancestors as supernatural, e.g. things such as Virgin
birth and many other things that have been documented in both historical and
religious texts going back for millennia start to have a scientific
explanation.

However since human technology was (as far as we are aware) not capable of
performing such miracles back then, obviously the only conclusion one can
come to is ETs have been involved in human development, and the more we
learn the more clear this evidence becomes.

The Pyramids are a good example of that, the fact that anyone can check them
out on Google Earth and see for themselves that they have perfect alignment.
But there are many other things that point to us not being alone. This red
rain that was falling in India has been analysed in Cardiff University
(which actually isn't far from where I live) and found to be a new kind of
living organism that has come from space, and at the end of the day it's not
cranks and nutters saying this, you have highly respected International
Scientists coming to such conclusions.

However there are many other pieces of information available all of which
are being reported in the mainstream media at least outside the US if one
cares to look for it. Once you piece all this evidence together it forms a
picture. It's not necessary for ETs to land in ones garden or for
governments to make full disclosure.

Why should everyone have a right to this knowledge? Do the people actually
need this knowledge? The morons have survived without it for millennia.
Evolution has always been about the survival of the fittest which means the
truth is only open to the cream of the crop, the super humans that will take
their rightful place in the Stars as gods. And if there is an agenda that
would seem to be what it's about.

This largely assumes we are alone, and largely
rules out

the possibility of ET life let alone ET intelligence and
visitation.

ofcourse not,science isn't ruling out the
possibilty of extraterrestrials,only visiting
aliens is not very likely.
i know for sure somewhere aliens excist but this
doesn't mean they are visiting us.

But it doesn't mean they aren't.

i invited them for tea,but no...

Perhaps they'd prefer fruit juice :)

so maybe they excist and thus they are visiting us...?
hardly scientific...no wonder serious scientists
keep away from believers.

There are plenty of scientific theories based on incomplete
knowledge. You don't need 100% evidence or full and complete
knowledge to form a viable working scientific theory.

and saying aliens are real changes WHAT in normal
life?

It changes our entire interpretation of history and every single aspect on
which our religions are based. Conclusive evidence changes everything in the
same way as the light destroys the darkness. Because with all knowledge and
truth would make one a god, however most of the World's population are not
ready for that.
-- 
Amanda