"Amanda Angelika" <manic_mandy@hotmail.com> wrote in
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In news:44cc53f7$0$90155$dbd41001@news.wanadoo.nl,
dre <v> typed:

Amanda Angelika schreef:

In news:44cb9b3b$0$12181$dbd49001@news.wanadoo.nl,
dre <v> typed:

But both populist mainstream science, philosophy and religion has
an irrational belief that we are either the centre of the universe
or the centre of creation.

huh?

science believes this?
get real...

Scienific theories are based on philosopy and that's just another
way of saying religion.

well ,so is believing in aliens, you are also a
product of religion and this makes you see the way
see aliens.
why do you think you are better than scientists
and holds the holy grail?
i bet only because you claim to have an "open mind"?
i claim this also,i am willing to acccept aliens
if they land on my lawn and take me for a trip
between the stars,oh hell...only land on my lawn
is enough!
or crash in a city,
or hawkings can give proof of them.
that's ALL...

I don't think it's supposed to work like that. If ETs exist and have
been visiting earth for millennia then it seems highly likely to me
they set up the Worlds religions in order  to help create social order
and human development.

If that is true and we knew that for certain then religion as we know
it at present would totally collapse. Whether or not the World is
ready for such a revelation is debatable. I suppose one could argue
given that most of the problems in our world are caused by religion
the time has come for the truth to be revealed. But at the end of the
day it doesn't matter what I think or even what our governments think
since it would be entirely up to the ETs to supply such conclusive and
irrefutable evidence and that sort of interference may not be in their
agenda. 

However at present we have a situation where in some parts of the
World where we are scientifically advanced and educated to the extent
that we can read the evidence for ourselves and the documented
evidence does appear to point to extensive ET involvement in human
affairs for thousands and thousands of years. Obviously if one is
scientifically advanced, reasonably well educated and have a resource
such as the Internet where one can access unprecedented amounts of
information then certain things that were once interpreted by our
ancestors as supernatural, e.g. things such as Virgin birth and many
other things that have been documented in both historical and 
religious texts going back for millennia start to have a scientific 
explanation.

However since human technology was (as far as we are aware) not
capable of performing such miracles back then, obviously the only
conclusion one can come to is ETs have been involved in human
development, and the more we learn the more clear this evidence
becomes. 

The Pyramids are a good example of that, the fact that anyone can
check them out on Google Earth and see for themselves that they have
perfect alignment. But there are many other things that point to us
not being alone. This red rain that was falling in India has been
analysed in Cardiff University (which actually isn't far from where I
live) and found to be a new kind of living organism that has come from
space, and at the end of the day it's not cranks and nutters saying
this, you have highly respected International Scientists coming to
such conclusions. 

However there are many other pieces of information available all of
which are being reported in the mainstream media at least outside the
US if one cares to look for it. Once you piece all this evidence
together it forms a picture. It's not necessary for ETs to land in
ones garden or for governments to make full disclosure.

Why should everyone have a right to this knowledge? Do the people
actually need this knowledge? The morons have survived without it for
millennia. Evolution has always been about the survival of the fittest
which means the truth is only open to the cream of the crop, the super
humans that will take their rightful place in the Stars as gods. And
if there is an agenda that would seem to be what it's about.

This largely assumes we are alone, and largely
rules out

the possibility of ET life let alone ET intelligence and
visitation.

ofcourse not,science isn't ruling out the
possibilty of extraterrestrials,only visiting
aliens is not very likely.
i know for sure somewhere aliens excist but this
doesn't mean they are visiting us.

But it doesn't mean they aren't.

i invited them for tea,but no...

Perhaps they'd prefer fruit juice :)

so maybe they excist and thus they are visiting us...?
hardly scientific...no wonder serious scientists
keep away from believers.

There are plenty of scientific theories based on incomplete
knowledge. You don't need 100% evidence or full and complete
knowledge to form a viable working scientific theory.

and saying aliens are real changes WHAT in normal
life?

It changes our entire interpretation of history and every single
aspect on which our religions are based. Conclusive evidence changes
everything in the same way as the light destroys the darkness. Because
with all knowledge and truth would make one a god, however most of the
World's population are not ready for that.

We have ninconpukes for world leaders, ie. Bush and Blair
who between them do not do the obvious.
It is not that the population is not ready, it is that the
leaders do not lead the world towards peace and harmony, etc...
The same with the world's religions - they are backward and
hinder our desire for authentic knowledge and wisdom,
and not the crap of dogma and rhetoric that religion feeds us with.

The growing population is ready for a changeover in world
consciousness, if only the mantle of the status quo
(parents in power, handover the crap of power politics onto
 their children, keeping the status quo going... witness
 the Bush family legacy - how Desert Storm was pure
 US war military propanganda) is not handed down to them...

Hawass is not open to anything to suggest that his Egyptian 
forefathers were not involved with the construction and building
of his pyramids - that they were built long before the Egyptians
were there.
Was the Sphinx's nose purposefully smashed because it was not
an Egyptian nose? Strange how it appears to be a woman's face
and not a man's. Making the pharoah story a farce.

Harvey