In news:1154321088.568505.269290@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com,
riplin@Azonic.co.nz <riplin@Azonic.co.nz> typed:

Amanda Angelika wrote:

The problem with your string argument is the Great Pyramids are at
the exact dead centre of the Earth's landmass.

No. Actually they are not. They are about 300 miles away from that
centre. It's a nice myth that are are 'exactly at it', though.

One wouldn't expect it to be exactly dead on today because of continental
drift etc. One should also not confuse the centre of the land mass with the
equator.

It might be possible to work out the
exact centre of the globe using observations of the movement of the
stars. However to get the precise centre of the Earth's land mass
you need to have technology capable of accurately mapping the entire
globe,

And there is no evidence that the pyramids were intended to be there,
only some kook with a book for you to buy.

You don't undertake a building project of that magnatude, lets remember the
great Pyramid contains more stone than all the churches in England, without
careful planning. So where it's situated is bound to have some significance
and meaning.

You might manage
it using ships, but it took us centuries. The other thing is we
assume they thought the World was flat, in which case the movement
of the stars would not have made any sense to them. That would seem
to indicate therefore that they knew someone with a spacecraft in
Earth orbit. Obviously that would indicate ET involvement.

Do you not see how clueless you can be ? You don't need a spacecraft
to work out that the world is round. Go down to the beach and watch a
ship sail away, it goes down below the horizon. climb back up the
cliff and you can see it again. That might no 'click' with simple
minds, but some of the egyptians were as clever as intelligent people
today.

It's possible some were very clever. But we didn't know the World was round
until comparatively recently. It should be fairly obvious by observing and
mapping the constellations, because obviously the stars at the equator move
faster than the stars at the Poles which of course remain stationary.

These things may seem like second nature to us now. However we didn't really
understand these things until the Renaissance. Although interestingly the
word Renaissance does mean "rebirth" so implies it wasn't the first time.

However one does need a fair amount of special awareness and mathematical
understanding to comprehend that the World is round and in our history this
understanding correlates with the understanding of pictorial perspective in
art. which means you have to be able to comprehend x,y and z coordinates.
This was brought about by certain mathematical breakthroughs e.g
Trigonometry, but also by the invention of the Camera Obscure and the fact
we had optical lenses and telescopes.

The understanding of such things are practically second nature to us today
and we learn these things at an early age, not only do we draw as children
but we are exposed to unprecedented amounts of visual material, art,
photography, television and film. Which programmes the mind and makes us all
quite sophisticated giving us a conscious awareness of the space around us.

However there is no indication of such sophistication in Egyptian art. This
means as a culture they had no understanding of Trigonometry. Without which
they could not have built the Pyramids at least certainly not to the
accuracy some of them are built.

I think these days, as a culture we are so sophisticated, in terms of our
spacial awareness that we find it difficult to comprehend the fact that
basic pictorial and optical perspective and the conscious spacial awareness
it gives us is not an innate skill it is something we learn and a product of
the advanced culture into which we are born and brought up. There is no
evidence of this cultural sophistication in Ancient Egyptian art it is clear
they could not think interdimentionally in the way we can today.

Another clue is that from time to time the earth casts a shadow on the
moon, no matter what time of night this happens the shadow always has
the same curvature.

But without a conscious understanding of perspective and triganometry such
things are totally meaningless.

The 'flat earth' is not an ancient viewpoint but medieval church
dogma.

Up to a point. But it is clear from Egyptian art the ancient Egyptians
didn't understand perspective, so didn't have the ability as a culture to
interpret the space around them according to a rational mathmatical model.

Well there used to be a site which showed Sydonia superimposed on
Avebury Wiltshire, the positionings were totally precise, it was
amazing.

The 'positionings' were chosen to be 'totally precise'. Adjust the
scale and chose the places to mark until maximum amazment. I could
probably amaze you by matching chicken scratchings to Avebury too.

Because you are born into a highly sophisticated tecnological culture of the
21st century and have been trained to do so from earliest childhood. However
that skill is not totally innate. The other thing is arraging pork
scratching is a lot easier than moving 20 ton stones LOL

I don't
know what has happened to the Website recently, but there have been
others showing geomentric allignments at Sydonia and correlation to
the Plaiedese.

Superimpose, change scale, shuffle around, reapeat until amazment
occurs. It don't mean anything.

It can only occur as a result of intellegence. Because in order to represent
something in another medium you have to be able to understand and
rationalise spacial relationships. It's pure math "it's Art Jim and exactly
as we know it" :)

 >> In the light of recent work I dare say it's possible the Avebury

information is simply too hot because it confirms the studies
other's have made and shows the evidence to be irrefutable.

Only be the new religionists who want to believe, want to keep the
faith.

But Mars is Extraterrestrial.

I was talking about _actual_ alignments where people made the
structure actually align with true north or summer solstice.  Mars is
contrived alignment by choosing the points from the dozens available
and shifting scale until it more-or-less fits.

If the alignments work in the same way then it is conclusive proof we are
not alone and never were. It's an ancient message that anyone with an
understanding of the interdimential mathematical language it speaks can see
:)

But generally complex geometries don't align by chance.

No.

Exactly. It requires intelligence and if we have complex alignments of that
nature on Mars, there is absolutely no doubt that ETI exists and has had a
presence in our solar system for billions of our years. And at the end of
the day it is still the church and the establishment that is trying hard to
cover this stuff up. But the pure universal language of mathematics doesn't
shout it screams. They can't cover this stuff up and should not attempt to
the public are too sophisticated and can't be fooled. :)
-- 
Amanda