Amanda Angelika wrote:

The problem with your string argument is the Great Pyramids are at
the exact dead centre of the Earth's landmass.

No. Actually they are not. They are about 300 miles away from that
centre. It's a nice myth that are are 'exactly at it', though.

One wouldn't expect it to be exactly dead on today because of continental
drift etc.

One would expect it be 'exact dead centre' if that is what is claimed.
You also seem to know little about continental drift, and especially
the speeds of it.

 One should also not confuse the centre of the land mass with the
equator.

I don't.

You don't undertake a building project of that magnatude, lets remember the
great Pyramid contains more stone than all the churches in England, without
careful planning.

But less material than the Hoover Dam or the Panama Canal, both built
with wheelbarrows and shovels.

So where it's situated is bound to have some significance
and meaning.

They sited it where they wanted it, a nice flat area close to the
quarries and handy for the population to come visit.

It's possible some were very clever. But we didn't know the World was round
until comparatively recently.

That is simply not true. In 500BC or so the Greeks knew that it was
spherical and that it was 24,000 miles around.  The figure was arrived
at by knowing that on a particular day the sun shone down a well in one
town exactly and the distance to another was known.  Measure the sun's
angle on that day and the size can be calculated.

It was only the Catholic Church in medieval times that had the dogma of
'the four corners' that set knowledge of the world backwards.  Ptolemy
III in 150AD or so wrote his 'Geographica' that listed most of the
known places based on a latitude and longitude system that we use today
with a 360 degree circle on a 24000 mile earth. The only difference is
that the origin was moved to Greenwich where Ptolomey used the Azores
as zero.

Reading UFO books will make you stupid.

It should be fairly obvious by observing and
mapping the constellations, because obviously the stars at the equator move
faster than the stars at the Poles which of course remain stationary.

These things may seem like second nature to us now. However we didn't really
understand these things until the Renaissance. Although interestingly the
word Renaissance does mean "rebirth" so implies it wasn't the first time.

Exactly. The greeks worked out most stuff, and the egyptians an the
arabs knew this too. It was church dogma that made people stupid. Now
the UFO dogma is doing the same to a new generation.

However one does need a fair amount of special awareness and mathematical
understanding to comprehend that the World is round and in our history this
understanding correlates with the understanding of pictorial perspective in
art. which means you have to be able to comprehend x,y and z coordinates.
This was brought about by certain mathematical breakthroughs e.g
Trigonometry, but also by the invention of the Camera Obscure and the fact
we had optical lenses and telescopes.

What crap.  You only need to be able to look at a ball.

The understanding of such things are practically second nature to us today
and we learn these things at an early age, not only do we draw as children
but we are exposed to unprecedented amounts of visual material, art,
photography, television and film. Which programmes the mind and makes us all
quite sophisticated giving us a conscious awareness of the space around us.

Oh yeah, now I realise that pepole a couple of thousand years ago had
no idea what a drawing was.

However there is no indication of such sophistication in Egyptian art. This
means as a culture they had no understanding of Trigonometry. Without which
they could not have built the Pyramids at least certainly not to the
accuracy some of them are built.

It's much easier to apply your dogma to an issue than it is to find out
if they did actually know how to draw a straight line. I would say that
you have no idea what types of tools and methods they used and just
formulate ideas that fit your preset conclusions, just like any other
religionist.

I think these days, as a culture we are so sophisticated, in terms of our
spacial awareness that we find it difficult to comprehend the fact that
basic pictorial and optical perspective and the conscious spacial awareness
it gives us is not an innate skill it is something we learn and a product of
the advanced culture into which we are born and brought up. There is no
evidence of this cultural sophistication in Ancient Egyptian art it is clear
they could not think interdimentionally in the way we can today.

Cut and paste from an indoctrination book did you ?  There are plenty
of examples of drawn perspectives from the time of the pyramids.
Perhaps the general population was generally unsophisticated, but the
tradesmen and scholars were as intelligent as anyone today.

But without a conscious understanding of perspective and triganometry such
things are totally meaningless.

No. 4500 years ago they were as able to work things out as well as we
can.

Up to a point. But it is clear from Egyptian art the ancient Egyptians
didn't understand perspective,

Wrong. There is plenty of examples showing they did.

Because you are born into a highly sophisticated tecnological culture of the
21st century and have been trained to do so from earliest childhood. However
that skill is not totally innate. The other thing is arraging pork
scratching is a lot easier than moving 20 ton stones LOL

It wasn't the Avesbury people that created the 'alignment' matching
Mars, it was a book author with a computer who shuffled stuff until
something fitted.

Superimpose, change scale, shuffle around, reapeat until amazment
occurs. It don't mean anything.

It can only occur as a result of intellegence. Because in order to represent
something in another medium you have to be able to understand and
rationalise spacial relationships. It's pure math "it's Art Jim and exactly
as we know it" :)

Exactly the author is intelligent and knows how to take two sets of
data and shufle, select and  scale until he gets something to fit.  It
don't mean nothing except to the gullible.

If the alignments work in the same way then it is conclusive proof we are
not alone and never were. It's an ancient message that anyone with an
understanding of the interdimential mathematical language it speaks can see
:)

Clueless.  With appropriate selection any two patterns can be made to
'align' in some way. Check the alignments and then look for all the
possible points that could have been used but weren't.

But generally complex geometries don't align by chance.

No.

Exactly. It requires intelligence

And the 'intelligence' is provided by the author of the book - shuffle,
select, scale until magic occurs.  There is no _actual_ alignments just
one contrived, as can be done by anyone and a computer in a few hours.

and if we have complex alignments of that
nature on Mars, there is absolutely no doubt that ETI exists and has had a
presence in our solar system for billions of our years. And at the end of
the day it is still the church and the establishment that is trying hard to
cover this stuff up.

Well, yeah, instead of praying at their church and paying your tithe
you have moved to another cult and are sending your money to the
priests of a new religion.