Harvey@NZ wrote:

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Harvey@NZ wrote:

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Harvey@NZ wrote:

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Earth's religions are particularly screwed up.
ie. Judaism, Christianity and Islam, particularly are.

But that's because people have distorted them, corrupted them.
Their original teachings condemn what's being done, but that
message has been lost from them over 2000 years of gradual
corruption, reinterpretation, dogma, etc. WE screwed them up.

It is 'they' screwed up. ie. the clergy, priests those who
gained power through being the interpreters for God.
The public gets screwed because the teachings passed onto us,
are not the original teachings and ideas, that were meant to be
conveyed to us.
We see it again and again, in our modern times, how with new
religions - they are simply after power and control, and they
don't provide us with any decent teachings at all.

Well, the original teachings have been screwed up, yes, but I
do not believe that they refer to some sort of space aliens
(although I also believe that aliens exist. There's too much not
to.). I think that they really do refer to some "super-natural" (as
in *infinitely* beyond nature) Being -- God, even if they are not
literal, and instead are symbolic, metaphor. The religions texts,
when interpreted properly, without the dogma of the religious
organizations like the Church guiding one, DO have decent
lessons in them.

Also, what do you consider to be "decent teachings"?

Decent teachings are basically humanitarian edicts.
The do as you would be done by - Golden Rule, which is
simply good manners, whether it is on a one to one level,
as in individiual or collectively, as in nation to nation.
(The USA should take note - also to lead by example and
 not by threats and the whip).

And these things are taught by good religion, ie. scripture
interpreted _properly_ (as in not what the Church wants
one to think).

Not the - I am your God, worship me, crap.
(the underside is - the priests have the power, who are
 needed because the ordinary person cannot understand
 God's teachings alone, can they?).

What?! Obviously you seem to have a horrifyingly limited view
of religion -- you have equated "religion" with extreme
fundamentalism, which it is not, you have equated religion with
the Christian doctrine of "if you don't take it literally or whatever
(insert: go against Christian Dogma(TM)) you'll BURN IN HELL..."

Religion != Christianity. Christianity = *A* religion. But ALL OF
RELIGION DOES NOT EQUAL CHRISTIANITY!!! You also have this
warped conception that somehow all religion is this horrible,
disgusting thing. Perhaps you should stop taking that Bible so
darned literally, and recognize it as a moral teaching.

God can't be cruel and bloodthirsty, then be a God
of love, can it? As witnessed by the Old and New Testaments.
And note - the God of the Jews, Christians and Muslims
are essentially the same God, are of the same origin.

God as cruel and bloodthirsty? This makes no sense, the
law of God is just. It is people's INTERPRETATION of those
scriptures that make it seem "cruel and bloodthirsty", not
the scriptures themselves.

This sums up what the ETs would teach us...
http://www.avilabooks.com/Jmmanuel1.htm
The intro is here
http://www.avilabooks.com/Jmmanuel.htm

There is a story that some visiting ETs were appreciative of
Christianity, so much so they took it back to their home planet,
and it simply started up wars there, and was then banned.

Well, Christianity _originally_ was not like it is now. It has been
corrupted, and that's why it's that way. If it did start wars (and
I don't know this, this is anecdote, so I'm not going to

dogmatically

take it as "truth".), then it's because WE have corrupted it. The
original message is gone.

Point not answered...

I think someone mentioned that the aliens believe in the universe
being God. To that effect.

Note - the above material plainly says that the origin of God,
was that of an ET ruler who wanted worshipping.
He appeared to be a God too - was a giant and lived for a couple
of thousand years, his offspring who succeeded him, also lived
for a long time - this may account for the different names for God
in the Bible.

All gods on Earth, were ETs. Full stop.
For every culture.

Then where do you believe the universe originated? What began it?
God has to exist. Who created the entire universe? Where did these
aliens originate from? The Universe. Where did the Universe

originate

from? uhh... uhhh... uhhhh...

Harvey

In that material I referenced to - the basic teaching is -
that 'the Creation' is responsible for everything in this universe
and beyond. That it is a process, and that planets themselves in
the right conditions will produce life of themselves.
Those in an life bearing zone, will eventually develop life, and
eventually humans too. There is also the faster process of
space travellers accelerating this process by interbreeding with
the native humans.

Everything man does to this planet, our home, he does to himself.
We reap what we sow, or take away.
We know it is a finite earth, with finite resources - we should
of course respect it, otherwise we are only accelerating our own
death and demise on this planet.

So, then, do you believe in God, as in an entity, that transcends all
"physical" or "natural" laws, and is infinite in extent, power,
everything,
who "Created" the universe and everything beyond it (except, of

course,

for Himself, who has always existed)?

Also, if we *did things right*, and *didn't* persist with the crap
we've been
persisting with today, do you believe, we as a species, could survive

a

million years?

Harvey

The info is all there, in the Talmud Jmmanuel teachings, covered in
that summary
http://www.avilabooks.com/Jmmanuel1.htm
and very briefly at
http://www.tjresearch.info/tjheresy.htm
And everything is discussed at www.figu.org in the English
Discussion forum - use the search engine.
Not everyone is 100% convinced of the Billy Meier / Plejaren view -
posters ask questions there, and those who have followed and read
much of the Plejaren material (I haven't read the vast material)
will answer.

The concept of God being a process, is what Jesus originally
taught. This was edited out into the gospel texts.
That there is no God (as in the Jewish, Christian or Muslim view,
not really as that taught today) in that sense, but there is
'the Creation' the process by which all life is governed by.
Call it the creative processes of the universe.
When Jesus performed his miracles, people got cured, etc because
they too acknowledged the Creation within themselves.
This is similiar to the God is the universe kind of thinking,
that we are part of God, and it is reaching within yourself,
you'll find the answers.
Creation happens. Planets of themselves will create life if
they are in the life bearing zone around a sun. And will create
humans too - but intergalactic travellers will mate with these
humans to advance them. Otherwise they remain primitive and
somewhat slow. They (the ETs) accelerate the evolution of the
native humans.

Where does the universe itself originate? What, or who, created
the natural laws it follows? There has to be that ultimate cause,
that ULTIMATE ORIGIN! Do you believe in a supreme Being that
transcends natural law, ie. that is supernatural (and to an infinite
extent)? If true, this very fact that life emerges in the universe
under the right conditions suggests that natural law has been
designed (yep!) for life, and did not originate through chance.

Harvey