Harvey@NZ schreef:

riplin@Azonic.co.nz wrote in news:1157574396.742408.283950
@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:

Harvey@NZ wrote:

There is a vast body of information regarding UFOs and aliens.

There is a vast body of [information, misinformation, fiction, lies,
misidentity]. The problem is that for any particular piece it is
impossible to tell which of these it is.

I think that it (the data) exists at all, is a miracle in itself.
Of course, it is the information which is detailed and concrete
that is almost impossible to deny, and when this mounts up -
over the years, and in numbers --- you simply cannot discount it.

religion claims the same,look at the world ,it's -impossible-  to say it  isn't created by god...

if there are so many facts supporting the visiting aliens than it must be reproducable and verifiable.
fuzzy pictures and witnesses are not enough to make a sound judgement.

 

As a non-believer - do you say that all of the above does not exist?
ie. have no validity or genuiness to them?
You already have the giving in of scientists who say, that life must
exist elsewhere in the universe, galaxy, etc etc.
Chances are there ARE civilisations older than ours, more
technologically advanced than ours - they exist. FACT.

You have a strange idea about what a 'fact' is.  It is a fact that many
have used _statistics_  to claim various things about the _likelyhood_
of life elsewhere and the likelyhood of civilisation and technology,
but it is _not_ a 'fact' that this is anymore that a statistical claim.

The fact is that we are lied to all the time - by all the various
academics and authorities (re: establishments) we have.
Name all the fields we have, as regards knowledge - and they are not
the authoritive persons/etc that hold that knowledge.
You know already that governments lie to us - the same can be
said of other authoritives.

because you believe in aliens you think automaticly the governments hides something,some say the us has allready a saucer,others say they have one but can't fly it..they have bodies but every film about it is a hoax..how convincing..
the aliens are hiding themselves i guess...the state don't need too do it,anyway... believers see evidence everywhere so why claim the state is hiding something anyway?
tons of evidence but never they land at the whitehouse or even crash on it...

There is also no evidence that even if some civilisation spent millions
of years attempting to travel the universe that they ever could
overcome the laws of nature as we know them and actually do so.

You do not even take into account our recent history and developments
to see how fast our own progress has been, and how it hasn't slowed
down - or do you simply ignore the computer you're using and all
the other technology developments as to leading nowhere?

that's the evidence aliens must excist?

You have only to screen the vast body of information of UFOs/aliens
into categories of being real and genuine, or misidentified, misled
etc.

Exactly.  And when that is done there are none that get put in the
'real' basket.

I think the question is more along the lines of..
Do you limit your imagination --- or do you unleash it to
engage in future possibilities, that are possible today.

Exactly, it is all in your imagination.

The skeptic limits their imagination, to what they can hold in their hand.

I don't say believe in any nilly willy story about aliens and UFOs, etc,
but just examine the various cases to see there must be something to them -
and it is because secrets are kept, and authorities, establishments and
governments etc withhold their information from the public - that the
public is forced to believe UFOs don't exist, etc etc.

ad-hoc thinking,believers are very good at this,they don't show the aliens so they are hiding and lying..
the fact that clinton jumped out of his skin by claiming life was found on mars tells me a completely different story,
it was only a very small dead worm but hey...great pr!
imagine the pr and power they can have by using all that knowledge,but that is explained away by the belief that the oil industry don't want to use the technology because they would loose trillions of dollars...adhoc thinking again...
that they can use it and make much more profit is regarded as stupid...stupid debunkers eh?

Conspiracies forced upon the public work, because they get repeated over
and over - but simple logic tells us, there must be life elsewhere,
therefore genuine UFOs (and aliens) exist.

life elsewhere does not mean they are visiting us...
and yes they MUST excist somewhere in the universe,intelligent or not.

Information is power, that is why the secret has been kept and maintained.
To limit the imagination of the general public, etc etc. An attempt
to control us.

Harvey

that's why we never ever hear of a dirty dress in the whitehouse..or stolen nuclear secrets,or watergate...or irangate...or hacking the pentagon..oh yes they can keep a secret...but strangly a saucer is kept secret...hmmm...makes you wonder eh?
but i subject this to the normal adhoc rule and can say it can be explained by ...mindcontroll!
yes!
brilliant!
that will show the stupid debunkers !
if they ask for ecidence we can say it's forbidden to share this with stupid people...perfectly normal!
great!
pfewww! the adhoc rule is great!
every event is now explained and we can accuse the us without any evidence of hiding everything we say they do...the list will get longer believe me...lots of paper..and imagination.

zero cult rulez!