dre <v> wrote in news:450514bb$0$86077$dbd49001@news.wanadoo.nl:

The skeptics - who can't imagine the future.
What future possibilities lie just around the corner for us.

ofcourse not,i never heard of  sceptics claiming 
this,but believers want to see us that way i 
guess,god/ptah forbid to say any good about them eh?
scientists also know the chance of life in the 
universe is big,believers want to have this claim 
for them selves so you can laugh at us when 
something is found?
well...sorry about that,remember for the next time 
you make such statement will ya?

Maybe you can split/catagorise people into different
groups, such as those who live in the here and now,
those who see 5-10 years ahead, and those who see
50 years ahead...
I seem to be looking at least 50 years.. at what
may be acceptable then.
Skeptics tend to live in the past, to feel comfortable
with what was known.
I'm all for having a healthy skepticism, in which you
ask for proof, ie. evidence.
And are willing to look at it.
 

That no one else can master the art of intergalactic

space travel, etc etc because we haven't done that yet, is about
as dumb a claim and mindset.
It would be fairer to say - that life must exist elsewhere in the
universe, especially when we now know that life does exist 

underwater

at great depths, near underwater volcanoes vents.
That where a suitable environment exists - life is likely to form 

there.

What happens here, happens elsewhere.
It's a simple observation.

but traveling with the speed of light is a totally 
different matter...
ofcourse life excists in the universe 100% sure.
if only on 1 planet.
but coming here is  virtually impossible.

You obviously haven't read any of the Billy Meier / Plejaren
material and the beamships which go into hyperspace.

oh yes...meyer...you want to be credible?
mention meyer...the aliens go mad if they talk to 
common people...lol.
why are his saucers wobbling when they appear for 
his camera?
gyro kaput?
they travel millions of lightyears but the gyro is 
broken...
why are they making circles in front of camera?
can't they fly a mile ?
or is his stick with wire a bit too short?

Yeah, well you don't appear to have read all of the
Meier material, which says plainly, that the beamship is
circling the tree because you can choose to believe it is
on a string or not.
What most people are not aware of - is that Meier takes
photographs in series, and so he has a series of photographs
taken one after another - and most of his photographs are
taken in such a series, and he has been doing this over the
years. He doesn't take the one photograph.
Of course Meier doesn't have just photographs.
He made a audio recording of the beamship, and had metal
samples given to him. He has all of the Contact Notes
material, and he has the prophecies.
 

technology,they are working on fusion wich isn't 
working yet but such a device must be in the alien 
craft they have "found" in roswell...and other places.
adhoc thinking explains this,the craft is damaged 
and the morons can't get it to work...

Let's say that a military or civilian aircraft of today, gets
caught in a timewarp and is transported back to the 1880s,
and crashes there. What are the chances of people back in that
time, able to repair and fly it?

ah you believe that,ofcourse..

I'm using this as an analogy to illustrate why as in the
above example of yours. ie. why we can't get a UFO to 
work..
See paragraph above, that you written.
I'm not saying the above (what I've written) actually happened,
ie. time travel.
 

I'm saying that politicians are petty minded, concerned about
themself first and foremost. They only give the appearance that
they care about other issues, and the country, etc etc.
This is the same for religious leaders too. It's all show with
no substance.
 

would you rather live in the roman,greek,egypt,or 
kelt times?
don't we have good lives now?

What you don't realise, is that the majority in other times
were much poorer off - and if you weren't part of the
elite of society, you were much worse off, than the lower
class of today.

at least for 99% of us.
they are not all power hungry megalomaniacs,you 
want to believe that so you can rant about 
evrything being kept secret,but it's party talk 
what you are doing,everyone complains about the 
rulers but know it's the best system possible.
if you could rule the world  people would hate and 
distrust YOU,it's the nature of the beast.

Not all rulers and leaders are that way. Self centred and
mad on power.
 

Civilisation itself.
Or rather a civilisation that starts out of nowhere that is
fully developed and advanced, with no history to show a
gradual increase in technology.
Also the sudden departure of a civilisation with no known
cause of departure/exit.

the world started fully developed?
explain.

Egypt is the classical example (and not the only one) how it
arrived fully developed, look at the earliest examples of
it's architecture and it's oldest pottery.
 

What is misunderstood, or not understood can be seen as a miracle.
ie. The use of technology can be seen as a miracle to those who don't
have it, or understand it, which is what is probably described in the
Bible. eg. The Book of Ezekiel is a UFO sighting being described, and
not a vision of God. Or rather God was an ET and travelled in a UFO.
The colourful descriptive language of those times reference it to 

God,

which is a ET.

yep ,ufo's are the new religion.
write a new version of the bible and change 
everything so all is explained in favour of alien 
intervention.

No not a new religion, it is just that religion today does not
reflect what is really in the Bible, ie. our bible today is mis-
intrepreted.
 

at least closer than 20 light years .
but i read a post from someone who is disputing 
this and found seti suspicious...because of the 
connection with nasa.
not liking the results? make a conspircy about 
it,the easy way.

No comment.

noted the wavering agreement.

I have not read about SETI, etc etc.
That is all, and so 'no comment'.
I have read a little about message from a star, from
Epsilon Bootis - that was in a TIME magazine article in the
70s'.

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sites about aliens,9/11...
look at how the us is doing these days...hiding 
something?
they try to but doing a very poor job.

We are being manipulated all the time.
The Internet/computer technology can just as well be used
for tracking people and monitoring them.
Technology can be used for manipulating people even more.

why use the internet for it?
they have much more advanced technology you claim...
so first they allow the internet and then they 
must implement technology to control and 
manipulate and watch us...how convincing.
would be better to limit technology wich can 
destabalize society such as the 
internet,cellphones,pc's,even cars,or guns...
but do we see such limits?
no,we can insult bush the way we like,claim 9/11 
is a conspiricy planned by bush and don't even get 
sued...
oh yes we are manipulated,you do the same here...
promoting your theories hoping to convince 
gullible people wich are to stupid to have one 
rational thought.

Not planned by Bush. I doubt if Bush could plan anything.
But he is a pawn in it, he merely reads what he has to,
as he is merely a puppet. Like when he first was told in
public about 9/11, he simply carried on with his storytelling/
reading to the children. Oh, the first plane crash did not
matter - best, to carry on as normal, but when the second
plane crashed - then - he retreated from his engagements, etc..
I do not manipulate people, I only ask them to do their own
investigation and reading, etc etc. And their own thinking
and reasoning, and do not accept the mass media news...
Take your notes --- like, why no photograph or still has
ever appeared of exactly what did hit the Pentagon?
All those surveillance cameras around the Pentagon...
 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_J._Corso
He states that these actions led to the development of fiber optics, 
lasers, integrated circuit chips and more.

he states...excactly...i state nothing is found 
wich supports that.

Pay attention to Col Corso credentials and his career record.
Then read his book.
 

but i like the idea of visiting us and meeting 
them,learning from them and seeing their culture.
it would change mankind ,i like it also to see the 
reaction of religious fanatics.
but the change of it?
zero to none.

There is a prophecy that mankind will have a linkup with a ET
civilisation - that it will happen.

prophecy...oh yes now i believe ya.

Meaning, do not be so suprised, when it does happen. As predicted.

 

Also, it is said that some ETs did take Christianity back with
them to their homeworld, that it caused such chaos there, it
was outlawed. That, I find believable because of such a mess
it has caused here.

Harvey

do you think the aliens gain much credibilty by 
this action of taking christianity with them?
and these are the same wich brought us civilisation?
i see aliens as highly developed and wise but this 
THEORIE does not convince me at all.
what is the origin of "it is said"?
or is this again a matter of belief ?

Note - I did say 'some' ETs and not the same ETs you think of.
Meaning some ETs who observed how Christianity is such a powerful
force here, took it (Christianity) back with them, only to have it
cause chaos in their world (I don't know the details of) that they
then chose to root it out. (This is a Meier info)
Not all aliens are so wise --- and when you consider how many
alien/ET worlds are there? Some will fall into being much more
intelligent than we are, and others similiar to us, and others
being a few years behind us. And some even stupid, compared to us.
Think of a world completely run by gasoline and diesel?
[I'm just spectulating here. A flight of fancy].
 

ps.

life excists in the universe.

Anyway it is probable that certain things will happen.
Like the matter about UFOs and aliens, cleared up once and
for all, that the US government (and others) would come
clean about it?
Like - that it will be shown that what the Jews, Christians
and Muslims are taught, is in error --- are lies.

In clearing these two controversial topics up,
it needs to be said, what are the lies, and what is the
truth about them...

I think a vast majority of people do know the truth,
that we are simply lied to, about these.
They do not believe what the government says, and what
religion says - because what they say, do not fit the facts,
ie. the details.
The details in their stories (of government and religion)
do not fit their own stories, therefore they are lies.
We all have to play Sherlock Holmes and identify who
killed the truth? Who profits from the lies? (Government and
religion). Motive? They profit from the lies, the lying.
Government and religion maintain their status - their power
and control. They'll get on repeating their dogma and rhetoric
because that is how they get their lies to be accepted by the
public.

Harvey