dre <v> wrote in news:45067d3c$0$3809$dbd41001@news.wanadoo.nl:

Maybe you can split/catagorise people into different
groups, such as those who live in the here and now,
those who see 5-10 years ahead, and those who see
50 years ahead...
I seem to be looking at least 50 years.. at what
may be acceptable then.
Skeptics tend to live in the past, to feel comfortable
with what was known.
I'm all for having a healthy skepticism, in which you
ask for proof, ie. evidence.
And are willing to look at it.
 

WRONG,wishfull believers thinking again...
i see the advances and the possibilties in the 
future,why should i ignore that?
you want see us that i guess so you can be 
hatefull against sceptics.

I do require proof too, and the evidence.
And if these are lacking, then at least have something
that makes sense and is plausible, that at least there
is a logical framework to the reasoning involved, and
not merely have dogma and rhetoric.

I believe in what things most people consider strange,
because they are not generally accepted to be true.
But also I believe a lot of stuff in the popular
conception as being true, is in fact - not.
eg. A lot of our history is merely guessed at and a
lot is ignored, or unknown.
eg. The Olmecs - practically nothing is known about
them, except their great big stone heads - buried.
Buried because of a catacylsm?
I collect a lot of info on some very strange weird
stuff.
 

Yeah, well you don't appear to have read all of the
Meier material, which says plainly, that the beamship is
circling the tree because you can choose to believe it is
on a string or not.
What most people are not aware of - is that Meier takes
photographs in series, and so he has a series of photographs
taken one after another - and most of his photographs are
taken in such a series, and he has been doing this over the
years. He doesn't take the one photograph.
Of course Meier doesn't have just photographs.

video's also,on these afo's are wobbling..WHY!?
they only circle a few meters and then the film 
stops...
out of film?
as i correctly remember a jump in hyperspace with 
a clear cut in the film...
how convincing...

Don't forget the Wedding Cake UFO stuck in a tree.
Actually this UFO taken at night, does look like
a model - than the daytime photos of the same UFO.
Most of Meier's UFO photographs are very convincing,
and of the highest quality (taken in these times -
ie. 1980s')

He made a audio recording of the beamship, and had metal
samples given to him. He has all of the Contact Notes
material, and he has the prophecies.

i can do that too.

You would find it difficult to emulate his prophecies
and predictions he's made, and the weird info he has
released.
eg. That the moon is a captured planet (or what have you),
that was in orbit around Uranus or Neptune?
It was knocked out of it's orbit to one close to the Sun,
and changed again, to it's current orbit.
All by the destroyer Comet which caused catastrophes upon
the Earth with some previous close encounters.
 

I'm saying that politicians are petty minded, concerned about
themself first and foremost. They only give the appearance that
they care about other issues, and the country, etc etc.
This is the same for religious leaders too. It's all show with
no substance.
 

would you rather live in the roman,greek,egypt,or 
kelt times?
don't we have good lives now?

What you don't realise, is that the majority in other times
were much poorer off - and if you weren't part of the
elite of society, you were much worse off, than the lower
class of today.

exactly, but you say we are controlled and lied to.
more in ancient times than now i guess..
the personal freedom has never been so great as 
now,never in history we had so much powers to 
criticize governments (the west i mean),exposing 
lies and crimes by them,such as the secret cia 
prisons,
bugging the us people,the report of no wmd's in 
iraq...
the lies by clinton,watergate,and the list goes on 
and on and on...
and still you think they can keep the secrets 
about ufo's...
get real...

We can still be lied to. Like with the Apollo moon landings.
There is fair comment/argument that it was all faked because
the USA didn't want to be embarressed by failure.
 

at least for 99% of us.
they are not all power hungry megalomaniacs,you 
want to believe that so you can rant about 
evrything being kept secret,but it's party talk 
what you are doing,everyone complains about the 
rulers but know it's the best system possible.
if you could rule the world  people would hate and 
distrust YOU,it's the nature of the beast.

Not all rulers and leaders are that way. Self centred and
mad on power.

quote by you...
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I'm saying that politicians are petty minded, 
concerned about

themself first and foremost. They only give 

the appearance that

they care about other issues, and the 

country, etc etc.

This is the same for religious leaders too. 

It's all show with

no substance.

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how must i interpret this otherwise as ALL 
politicians?
no rational thought here...

Here in NZ, the politicians don't rank well in the list of
most trusted people in various jobs - they score very lowly
in fact. All politicians speak the same kind of language
in any country - they rare speak of specifics and of 'facts'.
Try listening to an Australian politician, an English
politician and then an American politician - they speak all
the same kind of crap, ie. nonsense.

Listen to retired Lt.Col Karen Kwiatkowski here
http://www.scotthortonshow.com/index.php?tag=karen-kwiatkowski
where she speaks of the kind of crap that went on at the Pentagon,
about the war in Iraq...
 

Egypt is the classical example (and not the only one) how it
arrived fully developed, look at the earliest examples of
it's architecture and it's oldest pottery.

what about the first crappy stepped pyramids?
they learned from their mistakes,and became so 
good at it they could build the cheops pyramid.
why couldn't they build these right away?

Yeah, right if you wish to believe what the Egyptologists
say... as if they know everything about the Egyptians and
Egyptian History, just like Hawass is only concerned with
talking about Egyptians building the pyramids and no one else.

No not a new religion, it is just that religion today does not
reflect what is really in the Bible, ie. our bible today is mis-
intrepreted.
 

protestants also don't like the way how it's 
interpreted by catholics so they started a new belief.
you also can start a new one.

Not planned by Bush. I doubt if Bush could plan anything.
But he is a pawn in it, he merely reads what he has to,
as he is merely a puppet. Like when he first was told in
public about 9/11, he simply carried on with his storytelling/
reading to the children. Oh, the first plane crash did not
matter - best, to carry on as normal, but when the second
plane crashed - then - he retreated from his engagements, etc..
I do not manipulate people, I only ask them to do their own
investigation and reading, etc etc. And their own thinking
and reasoning, and do not accept the mass media news...
Take your notes --- like, why no photograph or still has
ever appeared of exactly what did hit the Pentagon?
All those surveillance cameras around the Pentagon...
 

i'v seen loose change and saw the wilfull changing 
of the facts....
the pictures at the pentagon showing the landing 
gear was not in it,parts of the fuselage,not in it..
the thousands wich saw the plane...not in it...
saying the wtc collapsed at gravity 
speed...ridiculous,the debris falls faster than 
the top of the wtc,but better ignore it to keep 
believing in a conspiricy..
how long did it take to plant all the explosives?
and where to hide the wires?

Some of those 911 documentaries may not be exactly on
the right track - but at least they provide some kind of
alternative theory to sort through.
Were there some wargames going on at the time?
To explain why there were only 4 jetfighters covering
that region of airspace at that time?
There has to be a better explanation than - Oh, they
turned the aircraft transponder off, therefore NORAD
couldn't track them anymore...
How silly does that sound? What about private aircraft
smuggling drugs into the USA? There must of course be
radar operating which can track such aircraft entering
US airspace? Wouldn't there?
 

Meaning, do not be so suprised, when it does happen. As predicted.

this is just a religion discussion,you are not 
talking about facts but about beliefs.

Anyway it is probable that certain things will happen.
Like the matter about UFOs and aliens, cleared up once and
for all, that the US government (and others) would come
clean about it?
Like - that it will be shown that what the Jews, Christians
and Muslims are taught, is in error --- are lies.

but you know the truth ofcourse...

In clearing these two controversial topics up,
it needs to be said, what are the lies, and what is the
truth about them...

you are a prophet and the truth..?

it's useless to argue over this,people also 
believe in nostradamus,he looked at the past and 
predicted it would happen again...
fague predictions wich fit on almost anything if 
bend the right way...

You can argue over anything and gain insight.
Like with the Jesus story - that he was NOT the Son of God,
but just a prophet, which is more believable.
He was not resurrected because resurrection is impossible.
Resucitation is possible, we know people can be mistaken to
be dead, to be near death and then be able to be revived.
This is much more plausible than resurrection.
See
www.tjresearch.info/tjheresy.htm
There is a story of Jesus surviving the crucifixion and
slowly recovering, and journeying to India, settling in
Kashmir. He lived to an old age and died there.
He is buried there, there is a tomb there.
Of course, Christianity does not believe in this version
of events - but it is a more believable version.

Harvey