dre <v> wrote in news:4507e75e$0$7879$dbd41001@news.wanadoo.nl:

Listen to retired Lt.Col Karen Kwiatkowski here
http://www.scotthortonshow.com/index.php?tag=karen-kwiatkowski
where she speaks of the kind of crap that went on at the Pentagon,
about the war in Iraq...
Basically the military boffins already were planning to invade
Iraq well before 9-11 happened, and used 9-11 as a way and means
to go ahead with the Iraq invasion.

i am not speeking about what happened after 9/11,i 
see the facts as they are on 9/11,4 planes 
crasched,plenty of  evidence about it but some 
don't want to believe it only because it does not 
fit into their assumptions...
i don't like bush and think he's a moron but this 
does not mean i want to accuse him of knowledge 
about 9/11 and using it as excuse to invade 
afghanistan and iraq.
he has the right to wage war on anyone who is 
posing a threat,true or not..it's the constitution 
who gives this authority.
if he could do this attack to his own people he 
would not need such excuse to wage war and do it 
anyway without the attacks...it would be much 
easier that way...
the believers don't want to see this because it 
does noet fit in the conspiricy theorie ,they 
think bush is ruthless but on the other hand he 
needs an excuse to invade...
how strange..

It is before 9-11, and also afterwards, in that he,
Bush did tie Iraq with 9-11, which we know now,
was unfounded.
Kwiatkowski goes on about the inner workings of the
Pentagon and the US government, how those who
had integrity and wouldn't have anything to do with
lying to the American people - had to go along with
the policy of the time (ie. use incorrect intelligence)
or be forced into early retirement [ie. they chose
early retirement or to leave their position] because
of disagreeing with what was going on at the time,
was to face demotion (being assigned elsewhere to some
remote position geographically - because of the
policies going through --- namely that of going ahead
with the invasion of Iraq, which was clearly on the
agenda even before 9-11 happened, and that 9-11 merely
helped push through the Iraq invasion plans 
Yes, plans were already set to go ahead, before 9-11.
This information is from a Pentagon insider, who is
loyal to the American people.

I'm all for evidence for the truth --- and it is the
case that the actual flights

Anyway the information reveals exactly who is being truthful in their
story.
eg.

Flight 11                  Flight 175             Flight 77
7:59am takes off with      8:14 takes off with    8:20 takes off with
       81 passengers            56 passengers          58 passengers
        9 flight attendents      7 flight attendents    4 flight Attd.
        2 pilots                 2 pilots               2 pilots
8:13 last radio comm.      8:42 Off course        8:50 last radio comm.
8:20 transponder off       8:43 FAA notifies      8:56 transponder off
     & sudden course ch.        NORAD of hijack   

8:46 Collision with North  9:03 Collision with South
               Tower                      Tower   9:38 Collisiion at
                                                       Pentagon
10:28 Collapse of North    9:59 Collapse of South Tower
                  Tower         [56 mins burning]
      [1hr 14 mins burning]

There should not be inconsistancies in this information.
eg. John Lear, a very experienced airliner pilot, said that even he would
have had a very difficult time to crash his plane into the twin towers,
or the Pentagon (this last target in particular being very difficult 
because of the precision involved) - and so the official story that
Muslim fanatics who only had Cessna training (and a flight instructor
who observed one of these so-called hijackers, saying he was incompetent)
flew these planes -- well, something's amiss here?
And for NORAD to stay passive for so long, and not be keeping a watchful
eye on the events as they happened - they still have the capacity to
track the airliners, even with transponders turned off (they'll just be
unidentified on their radar screens, so they should have stood out from
all the identified traffic going on).
Anyway even those tend to disbelieve the official story, would welcome
100% evidence that the official story stands. Just produce the
evidence that this is so. Release all the videos of the Pentagon strike -
so far only one camera source has been shown, and it doesn't show
exactly what did strike the Pentagon?
It isn't enough to say that foresnic evidence confirmed that these
planes hit their targets --- we need to know the details, ie. the
actual information which confirms this, to be convinced.
It is the early photographs taken at the scene, which can show exactly
what did happen? Particularly in the Pentagon strike, those very
early photographs of the crash site/debris/etc tell their own story.

There were only 4 fighter jets available at this time, to cover
this amount of airspace.
It just happens to be convenient there were some wargames going on
at this time?
The above figures and times should bring up a lot of questions that
needs to be answered.



The USA shows a complete lack of understanding of the Middle East
and it should not have got involved.
Before Saddam, Iraq had a thug and thugee like environment and 
history, and when the US removed Saddam, all hell has since broken
loose because no one was going to control the pandemonium that ensued.
Likewise the Soviets had a complete lack of understanding about
Afghanistan - little did they realise that the Afghan's hobby is
fighting, and no one is better at it, than they.

The US government and it's officials don't like to admit to their
mistakes and errors of judgement.
See any interview in which Lt. Col Karen Kwiatkowski
speaks her mind about working experiences within the Pentagon
http://www.scotthortonshow.com/index.php?tag=karen-kwiatkowski

Harvey