Subject: Re: What do ghosts, apparitions, fairies, and aliens have in common?
From: noahdove7@lightspeed.ca
Date: 18/09/2006, 23:35
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.crop-circles,alt.paranet.ufo

In the lore of Scandinavia, Scotland, and Ireland, when
   God cast out the arrogant angels from heaven, they became the evil
   spirits that plague mankind, tormenting us and inflicting us with
 harm.   The ones who fell into hell and into caves and abysses became
 devils   and death-maidens. However, those who fell onto the earth
 became    goblins, imps, dwarfs, thumblings, alps,
noon-and-evening-ghosts, and
  will-o'-the-wisps. Those who fell into the forests became the
   wood-spirits who live there: the hey-men, elves, the wild-men, the
  forest-men,   the wild-women, and the forest-women. Finally, those
who fell into the   water became water spirits: water-men, mermaids,
and
 merwomen.  These   angels were condemned to remain where they were,
becoming the  faeries    of seas and rivers, the earth, and the air.

 The following is from the book "The Fairy Faith in Celtic Countries'
   published in 1911/ and a quote form a web site on theories of fairy

   origins.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/ne u/celt/ffcc/

 Taking Evidence (Section I, Chapter II, part 2)

 III. IN SCOTLAND

 Introduction by ALEXANDER CARMICHAEL, Hon. LL.D. of the University of

   Edinburgh; author of Carmina Gadelica.

 The belief in fairies was once common throughout Scotland -- Highland

   and Lowland. It is now much less prevalent even in the Highlands
and
   Islands, where such beliefs linger longer than they do in the
 Lowlands.
   But it still lives among the old people, and is privately
entertained

  here and there even among younger people; and some who hold the
 belief   declare that they themselves have seen fairies.
  Various theories have been advanced as to the origin of

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 fairies and as to the belief in them. The most concrete form in which

   the belief has been urged has been by the Rev. Robert Kirk,
minister
 of   Aberfoyle, in Perthshire. (1) Another theory of the origin of
 fairies

I
   took down in the island of Miunghlaidh (Minglay); and, though I
have
   given it in Carmina Gadelica, it is sufficiently interesting to be
   quoted here. During October 1871, Roderick Macneill, known as
 'Ruaraidh
   mac Dhomhuil, then ninety-two years of age, told it in Gaelic to
the
   late J. F. Campbell of Islay and the writer, when they were
   storm-stayed in the precipitous island of Miunghlaidh, Barra :--

 'The Proud Angel fomented a rebellion among the angels of heaven,
   where he had been a leading light. He declared that he would go and

   found a kingdom for himself. When going out at the door of heaven
the

  Proud Angel brought prickly lightning and biting lightning out of
the

  doorstep with his heels. Many angels followed him -- so many that at

   last the Son called out, "Father! Father! the city is being
emptied!"

  whereupon the Father ordered that the gates of heaven and the gates
 of
   hell should be closed. This was instantly done. And those who were
in

  were in, and those who were out were out; while the hosts who had
 left
   heaven and had not reached hell flew into the holes of the earth,
 like
   the stormy petrels. These are the Fairy Folk -- ever since doomed
to
   live under the ground, and only allowed to emerge where and when
the
   King permits. They are never allowed abroad on Thursday, that being

   Columba's Day; nor on Friday, that being the Son's Day; nor on
   Saturday, that being Mary's Day; nor on Sunday, that being the
Lord's

  Day.

 God be between me and every fairy,
   Every ill wish and every druidry;
   To-day is Thursday on sea and land,
   I trust in the King that they do not hear me.

 (1) It was the belief of the Rev. Robert Kirk, as expressed by him in

   his Secret Commonwealth of Elves, Fauns, and Fairies, that the
fairy
   tribes are a distinct order of created beings possessing human-like

   intelligence and supernormal powers, who live and move about in
this
   world invisible to all save men and women of the second-sight (see
 this
   study, pp. 89, 91 n).

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 On certain nights when their bruthain (bowers) are open and their
 lamps
   are lit, and the song and the dance are moving merrily, the fairies

 may
   be heard singing lightheartedly : -

 Not of the seed of Adam are we,
   Nor is Abraham our father;
   But of the seed of the Proud Angel,
   Driven forth from Heaven.'

"The Secret Commonwealth" -revisited
  by Paul B. Thompson
  Nebula Editor

pscp...@aol.com
  It has long been the habit of scholars to study the obscure, the
 strange, and the unusual. Aside from the intrinsic interest of such
 subjects, the fringes of human experience offer the widest scope for
 unexpectedly enlarging our collective knowledge. Many common
scientific

subjects were once "fringe:" electricity, meteors and radioactivity
 were all once beyond the pale of standard knowledge. No scholar worth
 his salt would pass up an opportunity to write their name into history


 as a discoverer.

 Robert Kirk was such a scholar. Born in 1644, Kirk came from a long
 line of educated men. His grandfather, John Kirk, was a notary and
 scrivener in Edinburgh, Scotland. His father, Reverend James Kirk, was


 appointed minister to the parish of Aberfoyle, in Perthshire, in 1639.


 He had a large family, of whom Robert Kirk was his seventh son. Among
 the Celts, this was a propitious place to be born -- seventh sons were


 commonly believed to have second sight. Kirk never made a reputation
as

a seer, but he was exceptionally gifted intellectually. He studied at
 Edinburgh University and at St. Andrews, receiving his master's degree


 at 17. Ordained as a minister, Kirk served at various parishes for the


 next twenty years. He married in 1678.

 Kirk was also a linguist. He translated the psalms into Gaelic verse,

 and translated other religious works into the Scots Highland dialect.
 His facility with Gaelic led him to be named editor of a new Irish
 edition of the bible. In June 1685 he was appointed to his father's
old

parish of Aberfoyle, and served there until his early death in 1692.
 Aberfoyle was, in the words of Sir Walter Scott, "[a] beautiful and
 wild region, comprehending so many lakes, rocks, sequestered valleys,
 and dim copsewoods, and not even yet quite abandoned by the fairies,
 who have resolutely maintained secure footing in a region so well
 suited to their residence."

 His linguistic expertise would have been enough to insure Robert Kirk

 a footnote in the cultural history of the British Isles, but his real
 fame (and interest to readers of ParaScope) lies in his study of fairy


 lore. He collected tales of fairy encounters by his countrymen and
 analyzed them in a monograph entitled "The Secret Common-Wealth."

 In Kirk's time, fairies were not seen as tiny, gauzy-winged creatures

 of children's storybooks. Far from it -- fairies were thought of as
 strange, powerful creatures, a paraphysical race of beings living
among

mankind. It was common for some of the clergy to denounce fairy folk as


demons, or at least servants of Satan. Kirk wasn't so sure. He decided
 that they were a separate race "betwixt Man and Angel." Lacking
 scientific language to describe fairy attributes, Kirk resorted to
 poetic descriptions. Fairies were made on "congealed Air" or
"condensed

cloud." This ethereal composition was crucial to their ability to
 vanish at will, fly, or penetrate any enclosed space, no matter how
 tiny. Being so nebulous, fairies imbibed only the most refined of
 "spirituous liquors" (Scotland being a good location for such), and
 Kirk noted that although they had prodigious appetites, fairies never
 grew fat because they only used the quintessence of food and drink.
 Humans sometimes stumbled upon fairy banquets hidden away in the
hills,

but mortals should never partake of fairy food; one taste, and the
 luckless human was forever a captive of the Subterranean race. An
 especially odd detail Kirk gives is that the fairies had a special
 class of servant at their revels, whom he describes as "Pleasant
 Children" or enchanted puppets, which sounds like the fairies were
 tended by mechanical dolls...

 Fairy affairs curiously mirrored the situation of their human
 neighbors. When men experienced a good harvest, things were poorly in
 the fairy realm, and vice-versa. Fairies lived in tribes and "orders"
 (medieval social classes), had factions, fought wars among themselves
 -- sometimes in the sky, to the astonishment of mortal witnesses --
and

by custom had to move their homes at the beginning of each quarter of
 the year. These migrations were sometimes seen by psychically gifted
 Scots, and led to them being called "the crew that never rest."

 Fairy fashion echoed that of the country in which they lived. In
 Scotland, they wore plaid kilts, and in Ireland dressed like the
Irish.

Fairy women were the finest spinners and weavers in the world, making
 cloth as fine as cobwebs, which seems only fitting for a race made of
 congealed air. They had no religion, but would flee when humans
invoked

God or Jesus. Kirk repeats the common belief that fairies fear and hate


iron, and offers an unusual reason why: Hell, it seems, is a place so
 hot and terrible molten iron flows like water all over the place.
Being

highly sensitive creatures, the fairies cannot bear even the smell of
 cold iron, as it reminds them of the fate that awaits them once they
 die... eternity in Hell.

 Fairy relations with humans are always strange and often tragic. Time

 passes differently among the fairies. What seems like a few days or
 weeks in Elfland can be decades in the mortal world. Kirk's informants


 told him of vast underground halls, lit by perpetual lamps, where
 hundreds of fairies feasted and roistered down the ages.

 There were also more sinister aspects to human/fairy interactions.
 Most people have heard of changelings, where a human baby is taken
away

from its parents and a defective fairy child left in its place. But the


Subterraneans did not balk at taking adults away too. They particularly


liked women who'd just given birth. They were kidnapped to serve as wet


nurses to fairy babies. Interestingly, the fairies would leave exact
 doubles of their captives behind. Kirk discusses these doppelgangers,
 who he calls "co-walkers," in some detail. Like changeling infants,
 co-walkers tend to weaken, become incoherent, and eventually die.
 They're not human or fairy, but a sort of biological robot created by
 fairy magic to distract mortals away from the truth about the
abduction

of their loved ones. UFO lore is full of co-walker types. Many of the
 classic "men in black" episodes feature clumsy, muddle-mouthed
visitors

who don't quite seem in sync with the mundane world. MIBs, like
 co-walkers, perform some task, then depart -- though they don't
usually

die in front of puzzled witnesses.

 Kirk gives this account of one woman's abduction (I have modernized
 his spelling):

 "Among other instances of undoubted verity, proving in these the
being

of such aerial people, or species of creatures not vulgarly known, I
 add the subsequent relations, some whereof I have from my acquaintance


 with the actors and patients and the rest from the eyewitnesses to the


 matter of fact. The first whereof shall be of the woman taken out of
 her child-bed, and having a lingering image of her substituted body in


 her room, which resemblance decayed, died, and was buried. But the
 person stolen returning to her husband after two years space, he being


 convinced by many undeniable tokens that she was his former wife,
 admitted her home and had diverse children by her. Among other reports


 she gave her husband, this was one: that she perceived little what
they

[the fairies] did in the spacious house she lodged in, until she
 anointed one of her eyes with a certain unction that was by her; which


 they perceiving to have acquainted her with their actions, they fained


 her blind of that eye with a puff of their breath. She found the place


 full of light, without any fountain or lamp from whence it did
spring."

 Kirk goes on to say the returned woman was undoubtedly the same one
 everyone thought had died, and that her husband, having remarried
since

her "death," was obliged to divorce his second wife to remarry his
 first.

 The scholarly minister's interest in the Good People (as fairies were

 euphemistically called) proved unhealthy. Kirk's monograph was
finished

in 1691. A short time later, after the minister returned from London to


Aberfoyle, he went for an evening stroll in his nightshirt. Kirk's
 perambulations took him past a fairy mound near his home. While
passing

by the mound (or walking over it, according to some accounts), the 47
 year-old scholar collapsed. He was found and brought home, but died
 soon after and was buried in the kirkyard of his own church. Kirk's
 death on or near a fairy mound must have made his parishioners
shudder,

but an even weirder postscript would be added to the case.

 One of Kirk's relatives was awakened in the night by the apparition
of

the dead minister. Kirk gave him a message for his cousin, one Graham
 of Duchray. I am not dead, Kirk's specter declared. The Good People
had

carried him off. He had one chance to escape their clutches: when
 Kirk's posthumous child was christened (his wife being pregnant when
he

died), Kirk's apparition would appear at the ceremony. Graham of
 Duchray was to throw an iron-bladed knife over the head of the
 minister's specter. Iron was a powerful counter to fairy magic, and
 Kirk would be released from their power by this act. (One wonders what


 would become of his corpse, buried securely in the Aberfoyle
 cemetery... but some folk in Aberfoyle claimed that Kirk's body was
 abducted, not just his soul. His coffin, it was said, was buried with
 nothing in it but stones.)

 The child was born, and duly christened. While the family dined
 afterward, Kirk appeared before them. Unfortunately, his cousin Graham


 was so thunderstruck by this vision he failed to throw his knife as
 directed. Kirk's spirit faded away, never to be seen again. Well into
 the twentieth century people in Aberfoyle maintained that Robert Kirk
 was not really dead, but lived as an eternal captive in fairyland.

 This kind of fairy lore echoes again and again through UFO literature.

Harvey@NZ wrote:
noahdove7@lightspeed.ca wrote in news:1158613384.551985.65040
@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Answer:

- they can take on different forms (shapeshift}, appear solid or
transparent, appear and dematerialize or be invisible.
- they can manipulate matter and energy to create  such things as
crop-circles, ufos, mysterious lights, orbs, etc.
- they can affect electrical devices and batteries and cause them to
malfunction.
- Some of these entities can harm, abduct  or sicken and kill humans
and animals,
- they are masters of deception and lies
- they can create false religions and cults.
- they can move and levitate objects, people and animals,
- They are scared of God and Jesus.
- they hate the metal iron because it reminds them of the future
judgement and fate in the lake of fire which contains molten metal
iron.
- they are involved with paranormal phenomena, real magic and can
deceive mystics and people
that are involved with the occult or spiritism, animism, or the worship

of false gods and idols.
- they can possess people and drive them insane or use them as
channelers and mediums.
- they can create lying signs and wonders
- they can disguise themselves as beings or angels of light or can
manifest in hideous forms.
- they can destroy people's faith in God and create apostasy.
- they can seduce people to follow them into hell and ruin



You have such a silly and wrong answer for the above, showing
your complete lack of knowledge of these subjects.

Harvey