Hilary <hilary.crabtree@hotline.com> wrote in
news:r4kli2p6fe45fqhcmpes1u2f5etgtp49dl@4ax.com: 

On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 22:08:58 GMT, "Amanda Angelika"
<manic_mandy@hotmail.com> wrote:

In news:1158545070.850102.68990@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com,
Noah's Dove <noahdove7@lightspeed.ca> typed:

Who defines good or evil?
If man is one with the cosmos or some impersonal concept of God
there cannot be a basis for truth or ethics. The impersonal, as
such, is silent about such things. There is no basis for saying
anything is right or wrong if all is one with God. What you are left
with is total relativism or the arbitrary absolutes of the
controllers who ever they may be. "If All is One , good and evil are
reconciled, then one can can do nothing bad; thus Manson was only
acting logically....the fact that Manson's followers knew him as
both Satan and Christ highlights the collapse of distinctions
between good and evil under moral relativity".13

That's total bunk. There are pleasant experiences and there are bad
experiences, there is creation and there is destruction. There is
night and there is day, there's darkness and there is light. You can
be nasty to others or one can be nice, you can love or you can hate. 
There are universal absolutes in our Universe on which to base a
conception of good and evil.

That remains true whether the individual gets their sense of morality
second hand from organised religion or from their direct experience as
a child and aspect of the Universe itself. The only difference is
whilst the member of an organised religion may be lulled into some
sense of false security by the concept of redemption, and feel he she
has a licence to perpetrate evil in the name of his or her religion a
god has to take full responsibility for all his or her actions knowing
there is no redemption and that as a god you can create your own
Heaven or you can create your own Hell. You cannot be a higher being
without taking on the full responsibility of godhood :) 

Tony Blair took the UK to war with a fairy tale. People will
believe anything dear, it's a fact.

Politicians speak the same language, no matter what country, no
matter what party. They avoid responsibility and claim anything
they can get away with. We don't need them at all - they need us.
How much of what we are told, is actually true at all? 

Harvey