"Amanda Angelika" <manic_mandy@hotmail.com> wrote in
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In news:Xns985C833F466ABkiwilovesomewherenz@203.109.252.31,
Harvey@NZ <kiwilove@co.nz> typed:

Hilary <hilary.crabtree@hotline.com> wrote in
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On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 22:08:58 GMT, "Amanda Angelika"
<manic_mandy@hotmail.com> wrote:

In news:1158545070.850102.68990@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com,
Noah's Dove <noahdove7@lightspeed.ca> typed:

Who defines good or evil?
If man is one with the cosmos or some impersonal concept of God
there cannot be a basis for truth or ethics. The impersonal, as
such, is silent about such things. There is no basis for saying
anything is right or wrong if all is one with God. What you are
left with is total relativism or the arbitrary absolutes of the
controllers who ever they may be. "If All is One , good and evil
are reconciled, then one can can do nothing bad; thus Manson was
only acting logically....the fact that Manson's followers knew him
as both Satan and Christ highlights the collapse of distinctions
between good and evil under moral relativity".13

That's total bunk. There are pleasant experiences and there are bad
experiences, there is creation and there is destruction. There is
night and there is day, there's darkness and there is light. You
can be nasty to others or one can be nice, you can love or you can
hate. There are universal absolutes in our Universe on which to
base a conception of good and evil.

That remains true whether the individual gets their sense of
morality second hand from organised religion or from their direct
experience as a child and aspect of the Universe itself. The only
difference is whilst the member of an organised religion may be
lulled into some sense of false security by the concept of
redemption, and feel he she has a licence to perpetrate evil in the
name of his or her religion a god has to take full responsibility
for all his or her actions knowing there is no redemption and that
as a god you can create your own Heaven or you can create your own
Hell. You cannot be a higher being without taking on the full
responsibility of godhood :)

Tony Blair took the UK to war with a fairy tale. People will
believe anything dear, it's a fact.

Politicians speak the same language, no matter what country, no
matter what party. They avoid responsibility and claim anything
they can get away with. We don't need them at all - they need us.
How much of what we are told, is actually true at all?

It's odd that most acts of terrorism and indeed war are against the
ordinary civilian population or involve territorial invasion. When
logically rather than go to war, it would seem to make more sense to
kill the politicians and leaders.

I wouldn't go as far as killing the politicians - but they should
be made an example of, for sure.
The invasion by the US of Iraq - shows how inadequate they did their
homework? It was simple minded of the US government to ever think that
removing Saddam and installing Democracy would bring peace and prosperity 
to that country.
Or that the Russians could outfight the Afghans (did they know that the
Afghans loved fighting - it was their hobby) when they invaded.

Harvey