"Amanda Angelika" <manic_mandy@hotmail.com> wrote in
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Harvey@NZ <kiwilove@co.nz> typed:

"Amanda Angelika" <manic_mandy@hotmail.com> wrote in
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Amanda Angelika <manic_mandy@hotmail.com> typed:

I suppose it could be the wreckage of a Russian space craft, if
those are however human remains they would have to have been fairly
recent, there was to my knowledge no failed Russian manned moon
landing, but who knows perhaps it was carried out in secret and was
never reported because it failed, but if it isn't of earthly origin
then it must be ET. --
Amanda

Actually I have done a bit more checking on this and now think it is
possible that's not an android at all but is none other than Yuri
Gagarin himself

Gagarin apparently died on the 27th March 1968 in a MiG-15UTI on a
routine training flight near Kirzhachat. However what if that was a
cover story and in reality he had been sent to the Moon?

At the time the race was on to put a man on the Moon. The Russians
had been working to put a man on the moon since 1959 see:
http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/R/Russian_manned_Moon.html

They would have most likely chosen Gagarin for such a mission
because he had been the first man in Space and was the Russian's
best known cosmonaut, so why not the first man on the Moon?

It is highly likely IMO they would have kept such a mission secret
and would have only announced it if it had been a success. It was
never announced because it failed and Gagarin was killed.

It is interesting to note there seem to be objects in this
photograph http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/data/5.jpg that
seem to have red paint on them Consistent with Soviet markings.
Secondly there are parts there that could be consistent with a
Soviet Zond Lander module 
http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/Z/Zond.html although 
heavily wrecked and melted there are clear metal brackets on the 
piece of wreckage in the foreground and other very mechanical
looking parts

The other striking thing about it is although the skull looks more
like android than a human skull. It is highly likely that the space
helmet or other head gear would have melted in the searing heat of
the crash leaving parts of it melted and fused onto the skull.
http://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/Images/StarChild/space_level2/gagarin_
bi g.gif Although there does appear to be a small fragment of the
helmet laying quite near to the skull. IMO there is also a passing
resemblance in the physiognomy of the skull with Gargarin himself.

Of course I don't know if any of this is true, but if so it proves
NASA went to the Moon but  shows the US were probably not the first.
In a strange sort of Ironic way, it was perhaps fitting that the
last men on the moon paid tribute to the first.

Note - it is nice to be a healthy skeptic.

Because everyone does lie to us.
Politicians do (left, right and centre) - religious people do.
The only way to know anything (whether it is truthful) is to see the
supporting evidence - then there is no doubt about it.

Well I'll always be a sceptic. It's easy to take some basic facts and
build an alternative interpretation. Particularly where governments
are concerned since there are invariably gaps in what the public are
told. Sometimes this is because some things are secret and covered up
(for a variety of reasons), sometimes it's because we simply don't
have sufficient education or knowledge to understand all the
information that is supplied to us or accessible through further
study. Conspiracy theories therefore are relatively easy to construct,
particularly where there are such large gaps in what we actually know.

That being the case whilst I find conspiracy theory entertaining on an
intellectual level and it's interesting to play make believe and play
with "what if" scenarios. On a fundamental level I don't really
believe conspiracy theories. They are just another interpretation that
may or not be true and fundamentally we can't know what we don't know
or is hidden until it is revealed.

I think it is important to acknowledge the human imagination in a
positive sense - like what inventors and genuises do...

In that, they may well leapfrog us ahead in entirely new directions
in thinking and knowledge - and they do this by not being limited by
what we already know.
There is a kind of thinking with technology - that if you throw enough
money at something, you can produce positive results.
An analogy to use, could be the VHS vs Beta war.
Beta was superior when it first came out, such that professional
broadcasters used it for their filming/videotaping.
But over time, with enough research and development, VHS quality has
improved greatly. I'm not enough of a video buff to know how they
stand against each other now, and whether the VHS system is still an
inferior one - producing a lot of unnecessary tape wear, etc.
Maybe the heads on VHS videos get worn down faster than beta ones?

Of course, a bad idea, will still remain a bad idea, if it is not
practical in the first place. Like with early television, there were
competing technologies present - one was inferior to the other, and
lost out.

With incompetent governments and politicians - it should be acknowledged
the obvious. That for a fair and just (and efficient) government,
the power structure/madness ought to be removed.
And that means the egos of politicians. Should not a country be run
by economists? And not by politicans who are amateurs at running a 
country.

Harvey