On May 13, 5:53 pm, Sir Gilligan Horry <G...@ga7rm5er.com> wrote:

On 13 May 2007 15:55:58 -0700, mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On May 13, 2:31 am, Sir Gilligan Horry <G...@ga7rm5er.com> wrote:

On 12 May 2007 23:33:12 -0700, mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On May 13, 12:02 am, mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On May 12, 10:34 pm, Sir Gilligan Horry <G...@ga7rm5er.com> wrote:
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Yes, Stephen has the same ideas as me, about desalinization plants for
clean water for everyone. But I'm more cautious about giving 7 billion
people all clean water, free energy, etc .... because I know how
volatile people are.
Most people just can't be good.
They often get silly ideas.

So you'd rather have 7 billion people run out of food and water and
starve to death when the oil runs out (seewww.dieoff.orgformore
information)? Which is worse? At least if we give out the technology
we have a CHOICE as to whether or not we nuke ourselves with it.
Wars are ALL fought by choice. Whereas if we keep going with this
unsustainable crap we'll CERTAINY deep six ourselves. Maybe not
extinction, but we'll definitely hit a big wall.

People _can_ be good, it's whether or not they _want_ to be good
that counts.

dieoff.org: Argues for the possibility of a "Malthusian catastrophe".
This theory goes that we've exceeded the Earth's "carrying capacity",
ie. the total supply capacity of the stockpile of natural, sustainable
(eg. renewable) resources, and this will lead to a population crash
(die off). Although the argument is very complex, the logic is very
simple: finite amounts of resources exist. Most likely our
civilization
will "crash" before we can irreversibly destroy the Earth's
biosphere.

Hi     :)

Have you read this one ........

http://www.metatech.org/contact_extraterrestrials_intervention.html

Quote :

"Ecosystem exhaustion mechanisms have exceeded irreversible limits.
The scarcity of resources and their unfair distribution - resources
which entry price will rise day after day - will bring about
fratricide fights at a large scale, but also at the very heart of your
cities and countrysides.
Hatred grows bigger but so does love. That is what keeps you confident
in your ability to find solutions. But the critical mass is
insufficient and a sabotage work is cleverly being carried out.
Human behaviours, formed from past habits and trainings, have such an
inertia that this perspective leads you to a dead end. You entrust
these problems to representatives, whose conscience of common
well-being slowly fades away in front of corporatist interests."

And that's what I was saying, that resources _are_ being
exhausted fast and will lead to the collapse of the present
civilization.

Unlike whoever the quote was addressed to, I would not
entrust the problem to representatives, or the government,
since it is painfully obvious that they do not give a darn
at all.

So how does this mean one should _not_ disclose the
technology and instead _let_ the crash/dieoff/etc.
happen?

Not everyone is going to die.

No, but shouldn't we do something to minimize the
crash as much as possible?

Certain facilities will survive.

They have all the wisdom of the internet in storage.

And they will love planet Earth and all the millions of different
species of fungus, plants, insects, flowers, animals, oceans, etc.

Unlike most of the stupid idiot humans on the planet right now.

And the people who will survive are those went and
*did something* and not sit on their butts and *did*
care. In other words it will be very simple -- lose the
stupidity and laziness, or die. That's how a crash works.
If you don't get off the crashing system, you crash
with it.

Unfortunately there must be some sort of tough time
and crash before things can get better, but only because
we CHOSE to go on this type of unsustainable, corrupt,
and dark, deluded path.

http://www.mongabay.com/images/rainforests/deforestation-in-the-amazo...

Here's some more:

http://www.peakoil.net/Aleklett/2004Scenario.jpg

Notice that the peak is probably around this time, right
now. Oops... I guess we've just passed the tipping
point.. Oil will halve in around 50 years, and meanwhile,
demand will have increased profounding. At these
rates, there must be some sort of threshold somewhere
where once the supply-demand gap (and that's the REAL
arbiter) passes, everything crashes.

That's why we need the UFO technology. It could replace
the oil supplies. Just keepng it under wraps tends to lead
us more towards petrocollapse, see
www.petrocollapse.com for more and to a "hard crash"
scenario instead of the better, but more work-demanding,
and hence laziness-intolerant "soft landing" scenario (two
possible scenarios for the exit from the oil age.).

P.S.
Have a great day !

And keep up the good work.
Maybe we can come up with some new ideas in the mean time.