On May 14, 9:12 pm, S...@pfffit.spam (Bruce Hutchinson) wrote:

 mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On May 13, 9:41 pm, S...@pifft.spam (Bruce Hutchinson) wrote:

As far as Marcel was concerned, the "disk" was the unidentifiable foil
and sticks.  It was obvious that whatever it was, it came from the
sky.  And since many reports in the press mentioned that "it" was
shiny, the foil no doubt is what interested Marcel.

Then what about all the stuff about it not being able to burn,
the sticks not being able to burn?

What about those stories? Some witnesses claim that the foil "would
not burn", others claim you could not dent it with a hammer, still
others claim  magical  properties that made creases disappear.  Are
you sure they were "sticks?  Jesse Jr says they were metal "I-beams".

How do you know the stories are false? Because you have
made up an _assumption_ that such things cannot exist and
that it _must_ be a balloon or other mundane object _before_
investigation instead of starting from a neutral point of view?

At worst the stories are simply stories, with no way to say
EITHER way. But let's move on to more verifiable information:

What about the supposedly
"disclosed" radar reflector mentioned on one History
Channel UFO debunking show that looked fresh out of the
factory and not all shredded and wrinkled as would have
been expected if it had been lost in the desert?

Silliest demonstration I've ever seen.  They dropped a reflector all
of twenty feet!  big whoopee.  In the real case, the balloon train was
once 50,000 ft high!  

I think you're talking about the wrong show. And how tall
were the individual balloons? If they were 100 ft tall then
that would be 500 balloons, each with radar targets!

The show that I'm talking about maybe you didn't see. But
in it the government sent them a radar target that
was supposedly the one used on the balloon. And it was
obviously _not_ the Roswell one as it was in mint
condition -- it looked brand new. It didn't look like it had
impacted the ground or been dragged as the sinking
balloon slowly puffed away, or been smashed by hitting
the ground from a wind draft. Notice how the Ramey
wreckage looks all rumpled and torn:

http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Island/3920/ramey.jpg

You can see tears in the wreckage in several places.
It does not look like the pristine, brand new target that the
History Channel recieved.

Second, they did not drag it through rocks and brush and leave it
exposed to the weather for 10 days.

Third, they did not bag it up, stuff it into a sack and  jam it under
a small tree-  then leave it there for another 2 weeks.

No, but it would have been shredded just by the crash.
The Ramey photo shows what it _should_ have looked
like -- if the balloon theory is right then that is what it
looks like. Shredded and ripped. Rumpled. It is not in
"mint condition", and in fact quite far from it.

hutch

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