Furiously scratching in the sand, mike3 <mike4ty4@yahoo.com> wrote:

On May 14, 9:12 pm, S...@pfffit.spam (Bruce Hutchinson) wrote:

 mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On May 13, 9:41 pm, S...@pifft.spam (Bruce Hutchinson) wrote:

As far as Marcel was concerned, the "disk" was the unidentifiable foil
and sticks.  It was obvious that whatever it was, it came from the
sky.  And since many reports in the press mentioned that "it" was
shiny, the foil no doubt is what interested Marcel.

Then what about all the stuff about it not being able to burn,
the sticks not being able to burn?

What about those stories? Some witnesses claim that the foil "would
not burn", others claim you could not dent it with a hammer, still
others claim  magical  properties that made creases disappear.  Are
you sure they were "sticks?  Jesse Jr says they were metal "I-beams".

How do you know the stories are false? 

How do you know that they are true?

Because you have
made up an _assumption_ that such things cannot exist and
that it _must_ be a balloon or other mundane object _before_
investigation instead of starting from a neutral point of view?

Bullshit!  I have spent a considerable amount of time looking at
ALL... I repeat ALL available evidence and made NOT any assumptions,
but a decision based on all this data.  You are the one trying to
argue from an assumption, not me.

You might be interested in the fact that other once fervant supporters
of the Roswell UFO\crash line have now switched sides after they too,
looked at ALL the evidence.

My stance on the Roswell Incident has nothing to do with whether UFOs
are real or not.  The whole case was built on very shoddy research,
over-inflated egos, camp-fire tales, and the sensational press.

I think you're talking about the wrong show. And how tall
were the individual balloons? If they were 100 ft tall then
that would be 500 balloons, each with radar targets!

It flew as high as 50,000ft plus- that is how high these systems
_fly_.

The show that I'm talking about maybe you didn't see. 

That's quite possible-  TV UFO documentaries are generally so bad, and
so full of bad research that I deliberately ignore them.  And no- my
opinion on TV crap is not based on my skeptical views.  Most UFO
investigators avoid them like the plague as well.

But
in it the government sent them a radar target that
was supposedly the one used on the balloon. 

It was used in a similar capacity- NOT on Flight #4, june 4, 1947.
The government had lots of them- they used these things for over 40
years.

And it was
obviously _not_ the Roswell one as it was in mint
condition -- it looked brand new. It didn't look like it had
impacted the ground or been dragged as the sinking
balloon slowly puffed away, or been smashed by hitting
the ground from a wind draft. Notice how the Ramey
wreckage looks all rumpled and torn:

Had it been out in the scrub brush for 10 days?  No.
had it been dragged around for 10 days?  No.
Had it been wadded up and stuffed in a sack for 2 weeks?  No.

I'm not impressed.  The Circleville RAWIN survied its fall almost
intact.  Still does not prove anything regards the Roswell target.

http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Island/3920/ramey.jpg

You can see tears in the wreckage in several places.
It does not look like the pristine, brand new target that the
History Channel recieved.

Imagine that!

Second, they did not drag it through rocks and brush and leave it
exposed to the weather for 10 days.

Third, they did not bag it up, stuff it into a sack and  jam it under
a small tree-  then leave it there for another 2 weeks.

No, but it would have been shredded just by the crash.

Highly doubtful.  when these trains come down, it is because enough
balloons have burst and the remaining ones have lost some helium.  The
train will more than likely drift down, or at least come down at a
speed considerably less than 125 ft/sec.  Again, I refer you to the
Circleville incident.

The Ramey photo shows what it _should_ have looked
like -- if the balloon theory is right then that is what it
looks like. Shredded and ripped. Rumpled. It is not in
"mint condition", and in fact quite far from it.

what it should have looked like after a month of very rough handling.


hutch

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