On Dec 29 2008, 10:49 am, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
Sorry to blow your bubble there, LipFlapper, but you guys rate right up
there with the Jebus Freaks. Millions of them spend their Sundays on their
knees, paying homage to some dude named Gawd, who supposedly is omnipotent
and the savior of mankind. Unfortunately, NOBODY has ever seen him, or his
illegitimate offspring, Jebus. One cannot persuade the brainwashed believers
that there is no such animal as a Gawd and that Jebus was nothing but a
loud-mouth carpenter, one encounters the same mental barriers with you UFO
fruit cakes.
Just like all of the so-called Gawd's miracles can be explained by natural
events and misconceptions, so can your UFO fantasies and photo-shopped
images be debunked beyond any reasonable doubt.
Live with it, you loon.
"Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA" <scie...@zzz.com> wrote in messagenews:06ca3c7d-d99c-4c53-810d-3786852c6aea@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 29, 7:58 am, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
"Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA" <scie...@zzz.com> wrote in
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On Dec 26, 9:44 pm, John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 22:52:37 -0800 (PST), Benj <bjac...@iwaynet.net>
wrote:
On Dec 25, 5:56 pm, John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:07:44 -0800 (PST), Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers
ASA <scie...@zzz.com> wrote:
How many UFO debunkers does it take to screw in a lightbulb??
Two. But you need a really big light bulb.
None. The light was actually coming from Venus!
None. The light was really coming from swamp gas!
None. The light was actually just a "mass hallucination"!
None. The light was actually a clever hoax.
None. The light was actually a weather balloon.
None. The light was actually a Mogul balloon.
None. The light was actually a thermal inversion.
None. The light was actually "unexplained".
<crickets>
You're not *quite* as loony as Holeflapper, but you're a damn close
second.
* Baker, you are high on the OPEL-REDU list!!!*
Not to worry, LipFlapper, in my humble opinion, you're the indisputable
king
of the mentally challenged UFO believer loony roster.
Your position will remain unchallenged, as long as you continue to regale
us
with your nonsensical screed in these here NGs.
The funny thing about debunkers is most of them are abductee deniers!
Perhaps you had a few too many anal-probes. Ha-ha-ha, that would
explain a lot!!
Hagar, my only request from the Debunkers Cult this coming year is TRY
TRY TRY to make some kind of logical sense. Hedgehogs, swamp gas and
crash-test dummies are very passé!
- - - - - - -
Being a Debunker means never having to say you're sorry, or even
making a lick of sense! Sage advice by John F. Schuessler
Debunkers: I have heard it said that the most frustrating and least
useful aspect of ufology is the machinations of the debunkers.
Debunkers are experts at the use of disinformation, misinformation,
and propaganda. They provide prosaic explanations for everything. If
the first story gets challenged, they simply generate another story
and do not even apologize for changing their position. No information
or data supplied by the ufologist is ever good enough for them. Truth,
honesty, ethics and things like that are foreign to their way of
operating because it might erode their position. They seldom do real
investigations.
Most of their explanations are canned and used over and over so that
they do not feel it necessary to do investigations. All this is very
frustrating to the ufologists that conduct extensive investigations,
record every little detail of a UFO incident, assemble statistics,
maintain vast databases, and probably most of all, respect the good
and honest witnesses who report their UFO incidents.
Perhaps it would help ufologists to deal with the debunkers if they
understood why the debunkers act in such a manner. This is best
described in The Argument Culture, a book by Georgetown University
professor Deborah Tannen. These machinations are an example of what
the cultural linguist Walter Ong calls "agonism" or "programmed
contentiousness." Agonism does not refer to disagreement, conflict, or
vigorous dispute. It refers to ritualized opposition.
Professor Tannen says: "The way we train our students, conduct our
classes and our research, and exchange ideas at meetings and in print
are all driven by our ideological assumption that intellectual inquiry
is a metaphorical battle. Following from that is a second assumption,
that the best way to demonstrate intellectual prowess is to criticize,
find fault, and attack." Further, she says: "Many aspects of our
academic lives can be described as agonistic. For example, in our
scholarly papers, most of us follow a conventional framework that
requires us to position our work in opposition to someone else's,
which we prove wrong.
The framework tempts, almost requires us to oversimplify or even
misrepresent others' positions; cite the weakest example to make a
generally reasonable work appear less so; and ignore facts that
support other's views, citing only evidence that supports our own
positions."
This approach "fosters a stance of arrogance and narrow-mindedness."
There is much more of value in The Argument Culture, but in these few
words, I believe Professor Tannen has clearly exposed the operating
technique used by most debunkers. With this information in mind, it is
fairly obvious that we are stuck with a continuing tirade by the
debunkers and it will continue until they all die off. They are unable
to change, they are
programmed to act as they do.
Fortunately, most ufologists have no desire to play the debunkers
game. Programmed contentiousness is viewed as dishonest, unfair and
unethical. It puts an end to exploring ideas, uncovering nuances,
comparing and contrasting different interpretations of a particular
work, and gaining a deeper and more accurate understanding of the
material. It kills the quest for open-minded inquiry.
Even knowing all of this, ufologists still allow themselves to be
stressed by the actions of debunkers. A good investigator is likely to
be provoked by a debunker's announcement that a certain UFO was
actually Venus when everyone knows that Venus was not visible at the
time. A debunker's demand for "all of your investigative files so I
can identify the UFO," is another provoking ploy. They play on your
ego by saying "I have never seen any credible evidence of a UFO,"
hoping you will try to provide some evidence that will convince them.
Will it convince them? No! Their debunker's pre-subscribed dogma will
not allow it. If all else fails, they will claim it is your
responsibility as an investigator to respond to their demands. Don't
fall for that ploy. Only you and the organization you represent can
define your responsibilities.
A formula for avoiding stress caused by the actions of the debunkers
is to follow industry's lead in looking for "value added" in any
interchange or effort. If there is nothing to be gained from
responding to them, then don't do it. Apply your energies where they
will make a difference. Don't play their game. It takes two to make a
game and if you do not respond to their provocation, then they do not
have a game. They lose and you are not stressed.
Hagar, you are shit out of luck, I sent half a brain to Casanobrain,
so you are going to have to go through another year with any brains!
Sorry Pal, that's just the way it happens. I didn't know you were a
Jizus Freak, although that would explain a lot. Sorry Charlie,
debunkers are just not believed anymore, and that's gotta hurt your
kooky cult!!
A Female Abductee’s Revelations Of Hybrid Infiltration
By James Bartley
This is an interview with a woman known as “Karen” who is an abductee.
Karen has had many experiences with the Greys, a Grey-Reptilian hybrid
and Human-appearing hybrids. Karen provides a tremendous amount of
insight into the activities of the ETs and in particular the human-
appearing hybrids. She has witnessed many different forms of ET mind
control and has been beaten and raped numerous times by the human-
appearing hybrids. The ETs utilized a variety of technological devices
on her which she describes in this interview.
In the interview phase of this paper, “JB” stands for James Bartley
and “KA” stands for Karen. After the interview portion of the paper I
will write an analysis and summary of the revelations given by Karen.
Karen is an extremely courageous woman who has endured a tremendous
amount of physical and psychological abuse. In this interview she
describes being tortured on a specially designed chair by the ETs. We
all owe a debt of gratitude to Karen and others like her who decided
to come forward and share this information.
The Interview with Karen
JB - Can you describe some of your experiences involving the greys and
some of the other entities you've observed on board the ships? You
described seeing a larger Grey-Reptilian Crossbreed that seemed to be
in charge of the greys onboard the ships. Can you elaborate on that?
KA - Most of my experiences with the greys, both tall and short, are
pretty standard. The short ones seem to be the workers; they get me,
take me onboard, help me off with my clothes, and get me to wherever
they need me to be. The taller ones I’ve encountered seem to do most
of the medical exams and procedures. I’ve heard others describe them
as “doctors” and I think that’s probably a fair assessment. They seem
to be lacking a bedside manner though.
Like many female abductees, the procedures they sometimes perform on
me seem to have a strong gynecological aspect. Aside from those, I
often encounter staring procedures from the tall greys. Sometimes
these are to elicit certain emotions, sometimes they show me images
(both random and directed), and sometimes they seem to be more
interested in either obtaining information from me or instructing me
on how to feel, act, or behave. In the last few years as I have
become more and more aware of this phenomenon in my life, the staring
to obtain information and control my actions has become more and more
frequent.
The first time I saw the being that appears to be a cross between a
tall grey and a reptilian, it was in conjunction with my first meeting
with a particular human-looking hybrid. This grey/rep being
instructed me on what I was to teach the human hybrid, how I was to
feel about him, and that I was never to tell anyone about him. He did
all this through a lengthy staring procedure and it was very
effective. I later saw him on multiple occasions and always in
conjunction with the human-looking hybrids. I also saw him interact
with the human hybrids in my presence and they seemed to always follow
whatever he said. My belief is that he was either in charge, or one
of those in charge, of the human-hybrid program.
JB - When did you first start having experiences with the human
looking hybrids? What are some of the things the hybrids make you
do? You described being used to train some of them to assimilate into
human society. Can you elaborate on that and other facets of the
hybrids interaction with you?
KA - My first experience with a human-looking hybrid happened when I
was 6-years-old. That particular one has always been around me,
although at times he seems to disappear for a year or two. He always
seems to come back though. Although he looks very human, his
mannerisms are stiff and odd. I think most people would know
something was wrong if they interacted with him consciously.
About 2 years ago, I was introduced (by the grey/rep hybrid mentioned
above) to another very human-looking hybrid. Over the course of about
8 months, I instructed him on various social situations and helped him
to fit into our society. I don’t believe anyone would be able to tell
he was different from a human on any level, unless he gave it away
himself.
Since that time, there have been quite a few human-looking hybrids
that I’ve instructed on fitting into society. As part of this, they
have made me do such things as go to stores with them and explain/show
how to purchase items, why certain items must be bought, why others
don’t need to be, how to use money, the role of the cashier, fitting
clothing before purchasing, and how to store food properly (when
buying groceries). I have had long sessions of explaining social
situations with them, from “Hello” and other appropriate greetings
right through to “Goodbye.” Often, they will telepathically ask a
question that also contains a picture in my mind. Telepathic
conversation is very, very different than auditory conversation. The
picture will often be of one of them in a social situation where
something happened that called attention to them. In one, it was a
group setting and the hybrid was confused as to whether he needed to
greet each and every person in the room personally. That led to a
long conversation on groups and parties, and the proper social
etiquette required.
Beyond helping them to fit into society, there has always been a
strong sexual link with most of them. Let me say up front I do not
like this aspect of my involvement in the phenomenon at all. I’m in a
committed relationship and don’t wish to have these associations.
However, I’m not given that choice. Most begin with a staring
procedure that will either evoke specific feelings, or render me
passive. The entire ordeal is rather “business as usual” for them and
they don’t seem to get the same enjoyment out of it as we do.
However, it does appear to be a necessary part of their make up for
some reason.
JB - Can you describe the different types of hybrids from the
standpoint of
behavior or what they do to you or make you do?
KA - All of my answers to this point have generally included only
those human-looking hybrids that seem to be assimilating into our
society. They seem to all belong to one group and act similar to one
another. Their primary focus is to fit in here on Earth and not call
attention to themselves. From what I can tell, they just want to
blend in. What they have me do for them relates to this and I went
into some detail in the last question about those activities. Their
demeanor is usually one of learning, but make no mistake, their needs
always come first. If I’m tired, hurting, or otherwise not up to
helping them, that makes little difference. And, if I don’t want
sexual relations with them, that also has no impact on the situation.
This group is single-minded in what they need to accomplish and all
else takes a back seat.
There is another group I frequently interact with that seems more
concerned with security. Never once has one of these security-minded
hybrids ever shown any interest in fitting into our world. They are
concerned that everything they do remain secret and that no proof of
the ongoing program is obtained. Because I talk about my experiences
with some people, I’ve had many dealings with these security-minded
hybrids. Their focus is completely on secrecy, compliance, and
protection for both the hybrids and the other aliens.
When I trust someone enough to tell them some of the things that
happen to me, I can usually count on a visit from one or more of the
security-minded ones. They will tell me I must not speak of anything
to do with them and they reinforce this by staring at me and what I
call “pushing” it into my mind. It is some kind of control they use
over my own thoughts and if they “push” hard enough, I find it very
difficult to overcome. I will suddenly just feel like I don’t want to
discuss anything, or that I don’t want to set up a camera to catch
them on film, or whatever the situation at hand is. I have become
adept at sensing when I have these aversions to things and can fight
against them. I do worry that there are suggestions that have been
given to me along the way that I don’t know enough to question,
though. These suggestions they give me usually last a few months
without any reinforcement. After that, they seem to lose their power
to control me, although the ideas remain. If these suggestions are
important, they will reinforce them periodically so that this fading
effect doesn’t occur.
Another function of the security ones is to punish. If I fight
through their suggestions enough, they will dole out a punishment as a
further deterrent. Punishments have been everything from rape, to
physical abuse (with broken bones at times), to mind games, to
horrifying images and threats against those I care about. These
punishment sessions can sometimes last 6 to 8 hours and incorporate
many of the various punishments they use. Once, when I had
information they wanted and I was resisting telling them, they treated
me to several nights in a row, all night long, of abuse. I was
repeatedly raped and beaten, as well as had my head pushed under water
until I felt I would drown. Eventually, they either get the
information or move on to another tactic. They never give up.
JB - Another abductee I spoke to described the physical and
psychological torture the hybrids perpetrated upon him. The hybrids
acted as if he, the abductee, was the bad guy and deserved to be
punished. He has also been sexually abused by the reptilians and the
hybrids. Was this similar to how the hybrids that you interacted with
treated you?
KA - I think I kind of answered that in the question above, but yes,
they do tend to treat me in a similar way. In their eyes, I am the
“bad guy” because I am speaking about them to others. I am resisting
their suggestions and trying very hard to prevent myself from helping
them with their plans. This makes me someone to punish in whatever
way they wish. Obedience is the name of the game for them and as long
as I’m not cooperating, they continue the abuse. However, that said,
this is only those security-minded hybrids. The assimilation-minded
hybrids in general aren’t abusive, but rather more business-like about
the situation. I have had situations where I was uncooperative for
one of them though, and they have called in a security hybrid to
handle the problem.
JB - How pervasive are these hybrids? They have been described as
having infiltrated every segment of society. Is that what you have
observed?
KA - In my everyday life, I don’t come in contact with those who are
in government or positions of power. So, I haven’t noticed them in
those positions, but that is understandable. They very well could be
and I just don’t know it.
I have noticed them in stores and other public places. Occasionally,
when watching television of some live event, I will see one. Of
course, I can’t be positive, but there is something in the way they
look and their demeanor that just sets off alarms in me. I do see
them and in many different situations and this seems to be happening
more and more frequently. My guess is they are infiltrating quietly
into all walks of life.
JB - What are the psychic and metaphysical capabilities manifested by
these hybrids? You've described how they can suddenly appear within
your home even when the doors and windows are locked. Can you
elaborate on that?
KA - I think their abilities can be divided up into mental powers and
physical powers. Mentally, they can converse using telepathy, control
the thoughts and feelings of a human to a large degree, induce
paralysis in humans to prevent physical fighting or running away, and
force physiological responses such as sexual arousal.
Physically, I have observed them going through walls and windows as
the small grey aliens do. I’ve also seen them on occasion affect
electronic devices such as a doorbell (not a mechanical one, but an
electronic one) and a computer. I’m not sure if this is accidental or
deliberate. The times I have observed it, it appeared to be
accidental. As you mentioned, they have appeared in my home when all
the doors and windows remain locked. I haven’t observed how they do
that, but I assume it is the same way as the small gray aliens who
utilize a light beam in the process.
JB - Can you elaborate on what they are trying to do when they stare
into your eyes? You indicated that it was a form of mind control
where they are either
trying to condition you to think or behave in certain ways or
conversely to make you forget about certain things. You mentioned how
they do something to you which engenders thoughts and memories on any
given subject. Can you elaborate on that?
KA - When they stare into my eyes, many things can be going on
depending on the situation. When I have not been obedient in some
way, often the first thing they do when arriving is stare at me to see
what I have done or not done. For instance, have I spoken to someone
about subjects I am forbidden to talk about? Have I remembered too
much about my last encounter? Did I somehow get physical evidence of
them such as a picture or recording? Staring is the first thing they
do to get answers to these and like questions.
Relating to the gathering of information on obedience issues, they
will often use the same staring session to instill the “proper”
behavior in me. For instance, if they discover I’ve spoken about them
to someone, they might then “push” the idea that I don’t ever want to
talk about that subject again. Or perhaps, that I don’t ever want to
speak to that particular person again. If they do find evidence of
disobedience, they will almost always include instructions designed to
control my behavior in some way. Occasionally, they use these
controlling instructions by themselves for times when they are
reinforcing old suggestions or under similar circumstances.
Another way they use staring procedures is to get information on
teaching/assimilation issues. This can happen in a linear format,
such as one of them stares at me and asks a question, and then I
answer it. The process repeats with different questions (almost
always on the same subject though). This is rather slow and is
similar to having a regular conversation. The big difference is that
pictures and feelings can also be given with the words to enhance the
meaning of the question.
A different way they use staring to learn a subject is more complex to
describe. The hybrid will begin by staring at me and I will be aware
he/she is doing something to me, but not exactly what. Very quickly,
I will feel more of a link to this hybrid’s mind and I will “hear” a
subject. The subject will not be in words, but rather more of a pure
thought form. Instantly, my mind will fill with everything I know on
this subject, even minor and obscure things. Anything that I have
ever connected to it in any way will be there. I then feel like this
entire block of knowledge is transferred to the hybrid. Sometimes
they will do this with four or five subjects in a row. It usually
leaves me feeling exhausted and drained.
Other ways they have used staring on me have included giving me
pictures and showing me things. Sometimes these are used to explain
something to me, such as something they want me to do. Other times
these are used as a form of punishment and I am shown disturbing
images of friends and family being harmed because of my actions.
These images can be very powerful and seem absolutely real as I’m
viewing them.
The last way they use staring is to elicit emotions such as sexual
feelings when they wish to either engage in sexual intercourse or
perform gynecological procedures on me. They have also used the
ability to induce emotions in the context of forcing me to feel
protective of the human hybrids and engendering emotions of love and
compliance.
JB - Can you describe how the hybrids have threatened your friends and
loved ones and how they have made some of your friends within your
support system break off their friendship with you?
KA - As you know, this is still a bit difficult for me to talk about
as I just suffered another loss of a friend. They have told me on
many occasions that if I speak to anyone in detail about them or my
experiences, they will find the person and end the relationship I have
with them. After several in a row, I’m now a believer.
They seem to be more concerned with people I share a lot of
information on an ongoing basis with, rather than just a casual
contact. But, they are quite effective with those who they target as
potential threats. They also routinely threaten even those I don’t
talk to if they think I care enough about them to make them an
effective way to discipline me. For instance, my children will be
threatened and I will be shown horrible images of their being
mistreated or dying when I’m resisting. I understand this to mean
they will make this happen if I don’t obey.
My feeling is that the security-minded hybrids have decided I
shouldn’t speak to anyone about my experiences. Furthermore, there
has been a concerted effort to remove any kind of support system I
have that may encourage me to resist them, and also to discredit what
I say so that if the information does become public at some point, no
one will pay attention to it. They have been very effective so far.
I do believe if I ever begin working with someone again, that person
will also be cut off from me in the same way.
JB - Can you describe some of the technology they have used in your
presence and what kinds of technology you have seen in their bases?
KA - The light beam to go up to the vehicles and back down again is a
very common bit of their technology. I believe it allows them to pass
through walls and windows as well.
I have seen items placed on my head in various positions that seems to
allow them to either communicate more fully with me, or to control me
more fully. These seem to be electronic devices and there is usually
a few moments of pain associated with them when placed on my head.
Some of them seem to go across the top of my head, while others go
around the back or across my forehead area. The devices appear to
give them more access to my mind, although I’m not sure how. In
recent months, I’ve been subjected to these devices with increasing
frequency.
In one particularly horrible event about a year ago, I was seated in
what looked like a dentist’s chair. A device was put on my head that
ran from the back of one ear, around the back of my head, and stopped
just before it got to my other ear. As I looked down on my body, I
suddenly saw electricity arcing across it, but I could not move to try
to stop the process. In the midst of my pain and fear, a tall grey
began staring at me. I remember I tried to resist, but I felt like he
was so much more powerful that he just buried my own ego deep within
me. I could not fight against him at all. As the process continued,
I felt my mind being manipulated easily by this being. When it was
over, I found I could not care about things very much. I felt
emotionally numb, for lack of a better term. I woke up the next day
feeling the same way and the feeling has persisted to this day,
although it’s not as strong now. I had been passionate about fighting
against them before this, but after it, I just didn’t care if I fought
or not. I feel as though I lost a part of my soul in that
experience. I live in constant fear of being taken back to that
chair.
I have also used a map-like device of theirs. This was interesting
because it seemed to be tied into my thoughts. I would look at a
screen, which would become a kind of 3D image of a map. As I would
think of roads or landmarks, they would become highlighted in some way
on the map. Roads would seem to lift up when I was thinking about
them, landmarks would suddenly become visible, and features would get
brighter. As I would think about traveling along a road, the road
itself would twist and turn, and it would appear the line was actually
moving as if I were traveling along it.
Related to the map, I have seen many screen-like devices that when
looked at become a 3D representation of whatever image(s) they are
displaying. These don’t seem to be particularly interactive, but more
controlled by the aliens or hybrids as something they want me to see
or learn. The image(s) feel very real and it is sometimes difficult
to distinguish between real life and an image until the process is
over and the screen is pulled away.
JB - Can you describe what went on in some of the places the hybrids
took you in your home town? You described a warehouse full of these
hybrids
KA - They have taken me many places in and around where I live. There
are several abandoned buildings in the area and those have been
favorites for having a group of them meet with me and transfer
knowledge using that block of information method I described in the
question on staring above. Because these buildings often have giant,
open rooms within them, many hybrids can be there at once.
I’ve also gone to many area stores with them to teach them how to
navigate and purchase items. One hybrid was fascinated with
televisions. There was a 24 hour store nearby that would have a wall
of them turned on so you could see the picture. He would have me take
him there frequently so he could stare at them. Other times, I would
take him to various stores or sections of stores and explain the goods
they contained (such as a pharmacy and all the medications, etc.). I
would then need to explain why someone might buy or have on hand all
of the items. Often when running errands for my own family, a hybrid
would come along and ask questions. Why was I going to this store?
What was the purpose of it? What would happen if I didn’t go? The
questions often felt endless. Occasionally, the hybrids would even
ask questions of store clerks, who would answer as well.
I have, of course, had them frequently in my home. I’ve also been to
apartments where they were living. Sometimes this was so that I could
inspect the apartment and make sure nothing was wrong that would call
attention to them; other times it was for staring, punishments, or
sexual relations.
JB - Also can you describe some of the other places like apartments
they live in? You taught some of these hybrids how to blend into human
society and how to decorate their homes to make them look normal. Can
you elaborate on that?
KA - From what I’ve seen, they are in standard apartments that are
within apartment complexes. Humans live near and next to them and I
assume they have no idea exactly who or what their neighbors are. I
have seen one hybrid living in one apartment, where everyone else in
the building or complex is human. I have also seen multiple hybrids
living in many apartments within the same building or complex. It
almost seems like they have taken over the building or complex in
those instances.
Most of the time, it seems to be one hybrid to an apartment, but once
I did observe about four hybrids in just one apartment. I believe
that was a two-bedroom unit.
Things I have corrected them on have been everything from the very
obvious to the subtle. Furniture in the wrong room – a couch in the
dining room, for instance, canned goods in the refrigerator. Pots and
pans stacked on the living room floor. It’s amazing what they know,
but even more amazing what they don’t. Everyday living things have to
be learned by the ones hoping to assimilate. I even had to give
lessons to one about how to use a telephone and why you would want
to. I’ve gone over showering, bathing, and basic hygiene routines.
Why you would want a towel in the bathroom. Where your clothes should
go, how to cook simple things, what things go in the refrigerator so
it doesn’t look odd. An empty refrigerator will look odd, but so will
one stocked with strange things like canned goods. I’ve gone over
when to throw things away that have gone bad as well. A fridge with
milk in it looks fine, unless the milk is 6 months old.
JB - What do you think is the ultimate purpose for these hybrids being
here?
KA - Of course, no one can really answer that but the aliens and
hybrids themselves. If I had to guess, I would say their immediate
purpose is to infiltrate the Earth on every level of society, and in
every society on the planet. This, in turn, leads me to conclude that
the goal is to eventually take over the planet. I don’t know why.
I’m not sure the why’s are important, to be honest. Intellectually
speaking, it would be nice to know. But, from a purely practical
standpoint, we should be focusing on preventing this from happening if
that’s possible. The why’s aren’t needed to address the immediate
threat, and I do believe this is a threat to our way of life and
existence.
Analysis and Comparison
The conclusions I make at the end of this paper are entirely my own.
Karen would not necessarily agree with some of the conclusions I have
drawn. Karen is a very astute observer and as you have seen in the
interview part of this paper, she is a very articulate and well spoken
person. She is very courageous and has endured a lot of physical and
psychological abuse from the greys and the human hybrids not to
mention harassment from other abductees who are under alien control.
Karen is a true heroine in every sense of the word.
There are parallels between the activities of the hybrids witnessed by
Karen, the subject of this paper, and the hybrids witnessed by “P.R.”
who I have also interviewed. Karen did not have any conscious memories
of the reptilians. Later after she and I began communicating with one
another, a being that I believe to be a reptilian visited her twice
and expressed its displeasure at her for talking to me. She did state
that the being directing the activities and the training of the
hybrids appeared to be a cross between a reptilian and a tall grey.
The greys were the beings that usually abducted her.
P.R. on the other hand has clear memories of the reptilians and the
hybrids working together. P.R. believes that the hybrids he
encountered were created by and are working for the reptilians. In
fact P.R. recalls seeing the reptilians transferring the consciousness
from a reptilian into a human or perhaps a human appearing hybrid.
Karen was used as a trainer of the human hybrids. She taught them how
to blend into human society so as not to appear different or unusual.
Like P.R., Karen was sadistically tortured and raped by the “security-
minded” hybrids. Karen has described some of the psychic techniques
the hybrids have used on her such as “Pushing” which is a means
whereby the hybrid forces commands, suggestions or ideas into her mind
merely by staring into Karen’s eyes. They can also manipulate her to
have emotions or feelings towards a particular hybrid that she is
training. This is yet another example of an abductee’s feelings and
emotions being manipulated. Too often abductees take at face value the
externally contrived feelings they have towards the aliens who are
abducting them.
It seems that the hybrids had a more utilitarian use for Karen, albeit
tinged with periods of frequent abuse, than they did for P.R. P.R. was
not used to train hybrids. It almost seems as if the hybrids and
reptilians tortured P.R. for the sheer pleasure of it whereas the
hybrids clearly intended for Karen to train hybrids in the nuances of
everyday life in human society. The hybrids realized that Karen
represented a tremendous resource of knowledge and wisdom about human
society. The hybrids seem incapable of showing any kind of gratitude.
As Karen pointed out, it didn’t matter if she was tired or worn out,
if the hybrids wanted to rape her or be tutored by her for hours on
end, the hybrids always got what they wanted. The aliens used the
torture chair on her which has been described by other abductees. The
devices range from chairs to metal platforms. Sometimes the aliens
will use portable devices to torture abductees. (Years ago a small
brown entity placed a “half collar” onto the back of my neck and
electrocuted the hell out of me. All the while the little brown ET was
laughing at me.)
Karen trained female hybrids and young hybrids as well as the male
hybrids. She trained hybrids singly and in groups. She trained them in
an entirely alien environment or conversely in a more mundane location
like a warehouse or an apartment. She told me that they are
tremendously fast learners. I asked her if these hybrids seem to age
at the same rate as normal humans. She stated that they seem to age
slower than we do, citing the time when one of the hybrids she used to
see quite often years ago, returned for an unexpected visit. This
hybrid didn’t seem to have aged at all.
Who or What Is In Control Of These Particular Hybrids?
From the moment Karen related her story to me, I suspected the
reptilians were behind the hybrids and were in ultimate control of the
hybrids activities. This belief does not stem from any preconceived
bias I have about reptilians. I know that the reptilians like to
operate behind the scenes. By the time I had spoken to Karen I had
thoroughly debriefed “P.R.” about his experiences with hybrids and the
reptilians.
Karen did not have any conscious memories of reptilians. She had been
going through a period of harassment and cyber stalking from other
abductees who had been “turned” against her. These other abductees had
befriended her but eventually they were manipulated to turn against
her. These easily manipulated abductees (which I’ve always referred to
as “Muppets”) then began a smear campaign against her on the internet.
They falsely claimed that Karen fabricated all of her stories and was
harassing them!
It is very common for the aliens and in particular the reptilians to
“turn” other abductees against a particular abductee. The ETs like to
isolate a particularly troublesome abductee who knows too much. Note
the frequent admonitions from the tall grey-reptilian being and the
hybrids to not remember her experiences and to never reveal what she
knows about the ET-Hybrid activities.
Shortly after Karen and I began communicating with one another, Karen
was visited by a tall dark entity and a smaller entity. The tall
entity stayed on one side of her bed and the smaller entity stayed on
the other side effectively hemming her in. Her spouse was sleeping and
unable to awaken. Karen felt a horribly negative energy emanating from
the taller dark being. It was a feeling and a dread she had never felt
before despite all the other experiences she has had.
The tall dark “Shadow” being then warned her about revealing anything
about the activities of the Greys and the Hybrids. Twice the shadow
being warned her against speaking to me in particular. Karen feels
that she was visited twice that evening. Based on her description of
this tall shadow being and the negative energy it was emitting I was
satisfied that it was a reptilian that visited her that night. Many
abductees, myself included, have awoken to find a tall dark being
looming over them. The negative energy emitted by such a being
combined with the powerful psychic abilities of the entity can
effectively paralyze and immobilize an abductee. Mere words cannot
describe the feeling of dread such a visitation inspires within an
abductee. (Certain animals in the animal kingdom have a natural way to
paralyze their victims. For example a Tiger can emit a roar that
reverberates in the chest of a human or animal victim and effectively
paralyze it. Likewise the reptilians negative energy can trigger a
similar paralysis within humans.)
Karen purposely avoided contact with me for a few days but eventually
felt compelled to tell me about this tall shadow being and to warn me
about him. (This was not the first time that abductees had been warned
by the reptilians to never talk or share information with me. “P.R.”
was also warned by the reptilians to stay away from me. Other
abductees were warned by the reptilians about sharing information with
me and Barbara Bartholic.)
Karen was more concerned about my safety than her own. I reassured
Karen and promised her that I would never turn my back on her like all
the other abductees had done. It had gotten to the point that Karen
fully expected anyone she befriended to turn against her. Karen feels
that whoever is behind the hybrids, be they greys or reptilians, the
ultimate purpose behind all this activity is the enslavement of the
human race. She rightfully sounds the clarion call of resistance.
The most inspiring finale to any movie I’ve ever seen comes at the end
of the Stargate movie when the natives of the Planet Abydos who had
originally been brought there as slaves from Earth, rebelled against
their False God (an alien) and attained their freedom with the help of
the Stargate team. One day in the not-too-distant future I believe a
small segment of the human population will eventually break free from
reptilian control and thereafter undermine the efforts of the negative
reptilians not only on this planet but elsewhere in the Cosmos. It is
our destiny to leave this planet on our own terms and not as
“seedlings” to germinate on another planet in the form of a
genetically upgraded hominid so the reptilians can begin this process
of planetary control and enslavement again.