Thank You !
Very Good.
I just skim read it all.
I will read it again.
Enjoy this quote ................
"The majority of these observations are made on an individual basis so
as to touch the soul and not to modify any organised system. This is
deliberate from the races that surround you but for very different
reasons and results."
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On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:42:40 -0700 (PDT), "Noah's Dove"
<noahdo...@lightspeed.ca> wrote:
http://www.alienresistance.org/ce4.htm
http://www.examiner.com/x-2363-UFO-Examiner~y2009m3d12-
UFO alien-abduction-sleuth-spots-Christian-smoking-gun
Roger Marsh
UFO Examiner
UFO-alien abduction sleuth spots Christian 'smoking gun'
Book by Joseph Jordan and David Ruffino.
“If this is real. This is huge.”
An agnostic UFO researcher worked the incoming reports and followed
up with witnesses in the field. Curiosity fed his hook-up with the
Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) and set-up up as Florida state section
director in Brevard County.
The beat was fielding a regular flow of incoming reports of
unidentified flying objects - civilian reports of flying saucers and
related anomalies.
Monthly meetings boosted the witness count. Some of those witnesses
were reporting alien abduction – a challenge working in a “nuts and
bolts” scientific organization – but he soon realized that it’s all
part of the same phenomena.
The investigator is Joe Jordan. His story is multi-layered and takes
us down a rough and questionable road to get to the truth – a turn to
Christianity – and an awakening in him of a simple, historical and
rather frightening truth about UFOs and aliens. And no one's talking
about it on CNN.
The “real” in “if this is real,” is that an emerging and growing body
of alien abduction experiencers seems to have not only discovered a
way of ending a single abduction scenario – but a method of halting
the abduction process completely – by invoking the name of Jesus
Christ.
Stories of unidentified flying objects, flying saucers, aliens and
alien abduction, have been popping up throughout Man’s history – based
on the earliest writings and art that have survived from many
different cultures and artifacts found over the centuries. Today’s
21st century communication methods and cheap digital photography may
make it appear that the current daily reports globally are a hot new
topic.
“The contactees and abductees claim they were in contact with the so
called beings behind the sightings,” Jordan said. “I turned to MUFON,
and said, ‘Guys, we’ve been chasing our tails with sighting reports.
If we’re going to try and get to the actual events going on and the
purpose of what’s going on, we have to get to the source itself. And
if these people are getting close, these are the people we need to get
in touch with.’”
“We need to invest in alien abduction,” he said.
CE-4 is formed
By early 1995, Jordan had founded CE4 – a private group that studies
alien abduction and they began compiling a database from their
research.
The experiences along the way changed Jordan.
“We started working with experiencers,” he said, “seeing the same
similarities. I came in as an agnostic. I was practicing new age stuff
myself. I was converting Christians around me into the new age and
metaphysical side. But I got challenged.”
Since the majority of alien abductees Jordan was interviewing were
women, he felt that he needed to bring a woman on board CE4 to make
those giving up testimony feel more comfortable – and a woman he knew
stepped in to help.
The woman was Christian, and after working with Jordan for a time,
pulled him aside.
“She said, ‘If you’re going to work in this realm, you have to have
some protection.’ So I pulled out my crystals. And she said, ‘I’m
talking about real protection,’ and this is when things started to
change.
“She handed me a Bible.
“I pushed it away and said that this had nothing to do with what we’re
dealing with. But she showed me the protection the Bible offered.”
Jordan ended up taking her up on that offer and read the Bible – and
soon became a Christian himself.
“But at the same time,” he said, “I’m a UFO investigator. I have this
want to know as much about something as possible. Now as a Christian,
I want to know more.”
The Christianity learning curve for Jordan wasn’t moving along fast
enough and he opted to step into a video course as part of a friend’s
Bible study group – two or three hours of video nightly for two weeks
over a Christmas holiday.
“It was very intense,” he said of the experience. “I couldn’t have
learned all of this in 50 years of Sunday school.”
Jordan has a vision
But during one of the video screenings – Jordan had a vision as he sat
watching the media. The vision was an alien gray face right in front
of his face. “I watched that face morph,” he said, “into a horrific
thing. I said, 'this is not what it seems to be. This is something we
should not be working with.'”
Jordan put his investigations aside. But a couple of weeks went by,
and he had an inspiration – “you’re not done with this.”
“I kept getting this – ‘you’re not done with this.’ I asked, ‘What do
you want me to do?’ And I heard, ‘You need to take this message – what
you learned – back to what you were doing.’”
Jordan pressed further. “I can’t share this with the new age people –
you’ve got to give me something better than this.”
He pondered humorously. “You don’t talk back to God, but a couple of
weeks later, I hear – ‘You already have what you need.’”
Jordan the investigator then turned to colleagues, repeated the
message, and announced – “let’s look again at what we already have.”
What they already had was witness testimony. One of those cases was
six months old, a guy named Bill who was interviewed on video in his
living room during a two-hour session.
“It was like, originally, we never heard what he said,” Jordan said.
“It starts out as a typical experience. He saw something from his
living room window. He went to sleep and had an abduction experience.
But during that experience, being terrified, he cried out – ‘Jesus,
help me’ And the experience instantly stopped. He woke up in bed next
to his wife.”
Jordan wondered why this piece of the story where the abductee invokes
the name of Jesus Christ did not stand out before.
“If this is real,” he said. “This is huge.”
Other researchers contacted
No where in the alien abduction research that Jordan had poured over
had he ever read about any method at all where one could stop an
experience once it was in motion. He decided to check it out and began
calling alien abduction researchers around the country. He set up the
story by simply telling them that he did not know what to make of a
particular case and needed an opinion. In each case, he said, the
researcher did the same thing.
“Can we talk off the record?”
“They all pretty much said the same thing,” Jordan said. “They had
come across similar cases where the abductee cried out the name of
Jesus, said prayers. So this is not a once in a lifetime case.”
But when asked why this had not been brought out into the open before,
Jordan said he got one of two answers.
The first answer was basically, ‘well, we didn’t know what to make of
it.’
“But what bothered me,” he said, “was the second answer. They were
afraid to go there as it would affect their credibility in the UFO
field.”
Some details 'under the rug'
Jordan was confused. “We’re looking at what people call a cover-up.
They’re not sharing everything that they have.”
This research fueled the fire under Jordan. “I told them that I was
going to take this on,” he said. “I think it needs to be recorded and
shared. I’m going to build this database. They told me – 'please do –
because we can’t.' I thanked them all and moved on.”
In the 13 years that followed, Joe Jordan has worked more than 350
cases – and has fought hard to get the word out. This summer, he makes
his third annual presentation at a major UFO symposium in Roswell, NM.
Part 2 coming soon
Stop back in two days for part 2 - more about Joe Jordan's CE4
ministry and some background on a Christian view of UFOs and aliens as
a worldview - with both historical and Biblical references as well as
witness testimony.
For more info: Visit CE4 on the web, MUFON, and InCahoots.TV.
David Ruffino says:
I work with Joe Jordan and find him to be very credible. I've been
doing this research for many years, even longer than Joe. One thing
that we've found is that there are naysayers in both the Christian
realm and also in the New Age realm.
Atrueoriginall is quick to condemn what Joe and I are doing but as you
can read from his testimony, he never really walked with Jesus Christ
so it is no surprise that when they came knocking the door was opened
up. He says that he was walking a "spiritual" walk when it happened,
well so do a lot of people who DO NOT walk with Jesus. My bet is that
Atrueoriginall was involved in the occult or eastern mysticism before
his encounter with the aliens. The fact that he just accepted their
mission and didn't try to fight shows that quite clearly.
Atrueoriginall mentions how some people have cried out the name of
Jesus and how
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