Re: The updating of this old joke was bound to happen

On Mar 27, 12:15�pm, "H." <hbo...@charter.net> wrote:

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On Mar 26, 8:24 am, "H." <hbo...@charter.net> wrote:

"Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers
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On Mar 25, 6:32 am, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:

"Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."
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On Mar 24, 1:12 am, Valentin Gregorievich
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On Mar 24, 4:25 pm, "Sir Arthur C.B.E.
Wholeflaffers A.S.A."

< snip LipFlapper drivel >

Wrong! Debunkers NEED a very nice FEMA Death
camp!
Either you are
with us: honest researchers and concerned
Patriots
or you are with the
Truth-Terrorists: the debunkers and their
supporters, sympathizers,
and enablers.

Why can't Horry be like Obama, have his cake and
eat
it ....
You're such a narrow minded bitch ....
Your goodest Pal, Hagar

Everyday the debunkers are free is one day closer to
the END OF PLANET
EARTH!! There is no question that in a scant few
days,
every country
will unite for one common cause: the elimination of
ALL
debunkers on
THIS ISLAND EARTH!!! There is a BRAVE NEW WORLD
coming
right on up
and ALL MANKIND is ready for the greatest challenge
in
our history!
But first the debunkers will have to be expunged once
and for all.
Luckily for us, we know where most of the debunkers
are. Even on
these newsgroups we have most of their names:
Casanobrain, VD-VAC,
Hagar, Borsch and a few others. Please give up and
turn yourselves
in and march right over to the nearest FEMA camp in
your area!!

Howdy HoleFlapper,
It is too late. I tried to give up and become a
little
daisy twinky like you but I could not hack it. Faggy
Daggies just ain't my bag. Besides you said You
didn't
want me to give up. You always did change your
ittybitty mind in mid stride even when you worked for
the CIA. So HoleFlapper it is going to be total WAR.
Be very, very careful as you might become a BugEye
Burger along with them little Grey Aliens that we
grow
on the Chicken Ranch down there in Texas.
We've been over the same material, but lets do it
once again, shall
we.
1) You already have been exposed as a spOOk


�Exposed hell! �I told you I was a spook. �You must
have your head up your ass for not remembering.

2) UFOs are real and so are ETs, they walk on Earth,
abduct people,
create crop pictographs, have underground and
underwater bases, work
with a certain element of the super-secret
military/corporate faction,
and have shared advanced technology.


You really are dense Holeflapper, I explained to you
that aliens are real. �They landed their little
spaceship made up of rubber strips, tinfoil, a rather
tough paper and sticks as described by W.W.Brazel
(ranch owner) on June 14, 1947 in Roswell, New Mexico.
The items were gathered up and described by Brazel:
The tinfoil, paper, considerable scotch tape and some
tape with flowers printed upon it, and sticks made a
bundle about three feet long and 7 or 8 inches thick,
while the rubber made a bundle about 18 or 20 inches
long and about 8 inches thick. �In all he estimated the
entire lot would have weighed maybe 5 pounds. �Now it
is obvious to intelligent believers such as yourself
that the above described items could only be an
interstellar spaceship, especially with the use of so
much Scotch Tape. �I wonder where they got so much?
That of course is when we back-engineered the 5 pound
spaceship. �Our huge fleet of 5 pound spaceships are
coming to get you. Ho! �Ho! �Oh yes they are He! �He!

3) Debunkers are worthless scum, thus you are a
worthless piece of
scum.


Of course they are, but they are so very much better
than folks such as yourself that it puts you
"believers" in a piss poor light. �Debunkers may be
worthless but at least they are not stupid as you are.

That's all.


Well fine Holeflapper, I'm glad you are done. �Now wipe
yourself, your shit stinks.


Ouch!  Touched a nerve there spOOk!  Ha-ha, again, debunkers are
worthless.  The proof?  You!!

Being a Debunker means never having to say you're sorry, or even
making a lick of sense!
Sage advice by John F. Schuessler

Debunkers: I have heard it said that the most frustrating and least
useful aspect of ufology is the machinations of the debunkers.
Debunkers are experts at the use of disinformation, misinformation,
and propaganda. They provide prosaic explanations for everything. If
the first story gets challenged, they simply generate another story
and do not even apologize for changing their position. No information
or data supplied by the ufologist is ever good enough for them. Truth,
honesty, ethics and things like that are foreign to their way of
operating because it might erode their position. They seldom do real
investigations.

Most of their explanations are canned and used over and over so that
they do not feel it necessary to do investigations. All this is very
frustrating to the ufologists that conduct extensive investigations,
record every little detail of a UFO incident, assemble statistics,
maintain vast databases, and probably most of all, respect the good
and honest witnesses who report their UFO incidents.

Perhaps it would help ufologists to deal with the debunkers if they
understood why the debunkers act in such a manner. This is best
described in The Argument Culture, a book by Georgetown University
professor Deborah Tannen. These machinations are an example of what
the cultural linguist Walter Ong calls "agonism" or "programmed
contentiousness." Agonism does not refer to disagreement, conflict, or
vigorous dispute. It refers to ritualized opposition.

Professor Tannen says: "The way we train our students, conduct our
classes and our research, and exchange ideas at meetings and in print
are all driven by our ideological assumption that intellectual inquiry
is a metaphorical battle. Following from that is a second assumption,
that the best way to demonstrate intellectual prowess is to criticize,
find fault, and attack." Further, she says: "Many aspects of our
academic lives can be described as agonistic. For example, in our
scholarly papers, most of us follow a conventional framework that
requires us to position our work in opposition to someone else's,
which we prove wrong.

The framework tempts, almost requires us to oversimplify or even
misrepresent others' positions; cite the weakest example to make a
generally reasonable work appear less so; and ignore facts that
support other's views, citing only evidence that supports our own
positions."

This approach "fosters a stance of arrogance and narrow-mindedness."
There is much more of value in The Argument Culture, but in these few
words, I believe Professor Tannen has clearly exposed the operating
technique used by most debunkers. With this information in mind, it is
fairly obvious that we are stuck with a continuing tirade by the
debunkers and it will continue until they all die off. They are unable
to change, they are
programmed to act as they do.

Fortunately, most ufologists have no desire to play the debunkers
game. Programmed contentiousness is viewed as dishonest, unfair and
unethical. It puts an end to exploring ideas, uncovering nuances,
comparing and contrasting different interpretations of a particular
work, and gaining a deeper and more accurate understanding of the
material. It kills the quest for open-minded inquiry.

Even knowing all of this, ufologists still allow themselves to be
stressed by the actions of debunkers. A good investigator is likely to
be provoked by a debunker's announcement that a certain UFO was
actually Venus when everyone knows that Venus was not visible at the
time. A debunker's demand for "all of your investigative files so I
can identify the UFO," is another provoking ploy. They play on your
ego by saying "I have never seen any credible evidence of a UFO,"
hoping you will try to provide some evidence that will convince them.
Will it convince them? No! Their debunker's pre-subscribed dogma will
not allow it. If all else fails, they will claim it is your
responsibility as an investigator to respond to their demands. Don't
fall for that ploy. Only you and the organization you represent can
define your responsibilities.

A formula for avoiding stress caused by the actions of the debunkers
is to follow industry's lead in looking for "value added" in any
interchange or effort. If there is nothing to be gained from
responding to them, then don't do it. Apply your energies where they
will make a difference. Don't play their game. It takes two to make a
game and if you do not respond to their provocation, then they do not
have a game. They lose and you are not stressed.