Re: Debunkers are Delusional// Debunkers are a maniacal mix of misfits (PROOF!)
Subject: Re: Debunkers are Delusional// Debunkers are a maniacal mix of misfits (PROOF!)
From: "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <science@zzz.com>
Date: 21/07/2009, 07:29
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Debunkers are DelusionalDebunkers are
Delusional
dic...@prodigy.net wrote

You're using Flyspecks as a reference?
Nigga,
puh-leeeeez!

Just like a debunker to deny the PROOF!!!

Let's see if I've got this straight, a kook
who
uses multiple
sockpuppets clumsily[1] cites the baseless
assertions of someone even
kookier and that's proof?

I may have to revise my opinion of your
kookiness
but you can't get
any fucking dumber.

Apparently you have been misled, once again!
Your
opinions do not
COUNT, debunkers are now officially listed as
SUB-HUMANS. Please
remove yourself and your ilk from these
newsgroups.

Make me.

This order cannot be rescinded.

Or enforced, you powerless wimp.

I am shocked that you disobeyed a direct order from
no
less than the
General himself. I pray you to reconsider before he
comes back from
his vacation. I know now you will follow the order
to
turn yourself
over to the nearest FEMA Death Camp.

Now that you have taken up debunking, get in line
you
ignorant klutz.

We've been over this material #1) you are NOT funny,
never have been,
never will be.
#2) your ability to debunk the reality of off-world
races on THIS
ISLAND EARTH has been an utter failure.

I noticed that you did not deny the debunking charge
or
being an ignorant klutz.
H.

As usual, I have no idea what you are talking about.
These newsgroups
are about the REALITY of extraterrestrials, and the
intelligence
agencies/Pentagon/aerospace firms ability to deal with
that.  Since
you were an ex-member of one of those, you ability to
debunk the FACT
of ET visitation, abductions, implants,
back-engineering of alien

screed deleted <<<<<

Of course you have no idea.  You have no idea about
anything.
I have debunked visitation, abductions, implants and
back-engineering 2000% better than you have debunked
the moon landing.
BTW  You are still an ignorant Klutz.

You couldn't debunk the Easter Bunny if the world depended on it.  For
a spOOk, you are pretty much worthless, as a human, the same
conclusion applies.

Famous Sayings About UFOs
Dr. Herman Oberth, the father of modern rocketry, is quoted as saying
in 1954, “UFOs are  conceived and directed by intelligent beings of a
very high order, and they are propelled by distorting the
gravitational field, converting gravity into useable energy.  There is
no doubt in my mind that these objects are interplanetary craft of
some sort.  I and my colleagues are confident that they do not
originate in our solar system, but we feel that they may use Mars of
some other body as sort of a way station.  They probably do not
originate in our solar system, perhaps not even in our galaxy.”  Years
later he was  quoted as saying, “We cannot take the credit for our
record advancement in certain scientific fields alone.  We have been
helped.”  When asked  by whom, he replied, “The people of other
worlds.”  [More about this quote at the bottom.]
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Senator Barry Goldwater, a retired Air Force Reserve Brigadier
General and pilot with many decades of flying experience, was
quoted as saying, “I certainly believe in aliens in space.  They
may not look like us, but I have very strong feelings that they
have advanced beyond our mental capabilities.”  He said he was
refused permission to check the Air Force files on UFOs and added,
“I think some highly secret government UFO investigations are going
on that we don’t know about—and probably never will unless the Air
Force discloses them.”  He said that he put faith in the reports of
the Air Force, Navy, and commercial pilots who reported instances
where a UFO would fly near them—right off their plane’s wing—and
then just zoom away at incredible speeds.  “I remember the case in
Georgia in the 1950’s of a National Guard plane going after a UFO and
never returning.  And I recall the case in Franklin, Kentucky, when
four military planes investigated a UFO.  One of them exploded in
midair and no one knows why.”
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Dr. Werhner Von Braun (Nazi-American rocket engineer), reflecting on
the deflection of the US June 2  rocket from orbit in 1959, stated
“We
find ourselves faced by powers which are far stronger than we had
hitherto assumed, and whose base is at present unknown to us.  More
I cannot say at present.  We are now engaged in entering into closer
contact with those powers, and in six or nine months time it may be
possible to speak with some precision on the matter.”
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Gen. Douglas MacArthur, in a speech given to the United States
Military Academy on May 12, 1962 stated, “You now face a new
world, a world of change.  We speak in strange terms, of harnessing
the cosmic energy, of ultimate conflict between a united human
race and the sinister forces of some other planetary galaxy.”
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“I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews
are visiting this planet from other planets which obviously are a
little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth.   I feel
that we need to have a top level, coordinated program to
scientifically collect and analyze data from all over the earth
concerning any type of encounter, and to determine how best to
interface with these visitors in a friendly fashion.  We may first
have to show them that we have learned to resolve our problems by
peaceful means, rather than warfare, before we are accepted as
fully qualified universal team members.  This acceptance would
have tremendous possibilities of advancing our world in all areas.
Certainly then it would seem that the UN has a vested interest in
handling this subject properly and expeditiously.
For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all
specialists and astronauts. I can now reveal that every day, in the
USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition
unknown to us. And there are thousands of witness reports and a
quantity of documents to prove this, but nobody wants to make them
public.
Why? Because the authorities are afraid that people may think of some
kind of horrible invaders. So the password still is: We have to avoid
panic by all means.”   In another interview he said “As far as I am
concerned, there have been too many unexplained examples of UFO
sightings around this Earth for us to rule out the possibilities that
some form of life exists out there beyond our own world.”
Colonel L. Gordon Cooper, Mercury 9, Gemini-5 Astronaut
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We all know that UFOs are real. All we need to ask is where do
they come from.”
Captain Edgar D. Mitchell, Apollo 14 Astronaut, 1971
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The matter is the most highly classified subject in the United
States Government, rating higher even than the H-bomb. Flying
saucers exist. Their modus operandi is unknown but concentrated
effort is being made by a small group headed by Dr. Vannevar Bush.”
Wilbert Smith, in a formerly classified Canadian government
memorandum dated November 21, 1950.
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“The time will have to come when we realize that we’re not the
center of the universe. The galaxy may be teeming with life.
There may be millions of civilizations.”
Richard Terrile, Astronomer, Jet Propulsion Laboratory
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Dick D’Amato, National and International Security Specialist for
Senator Robert Byrd and a member of the National Security Council,
stated in 1991 that an incredibly powerful “black arm” of the
government has been keeping UFO information secret and has
also been illegally spending enormous sums of money in this operation.
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Dr. Vladimir Azhazha:
“Neil Armstrong relayed the message to Mission Control that two
large, mysterious objects were watching them after having
landed near the moon module. But this message was never heard by
the public—because NASA censored it.”  According to a Dr. Aleksandr
Kasantsev, Buzz Aldrin took color movie film of the UFOs from
inside the module, and continued filming them after he and
Armstrong went outside.  Armstrong confirmed that the story
was true but refused to go into further detail, beyond admitting
that the CIA was behind the cover-up.
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Commander Eugene Cernan was commander of Apollo 17 and part of
the crew of Apollo 10. In a Los Angeles Times article in 1973 he
said, about UFOs:  “...I’ve been asked (about UFOs) and I’ve said
publicly I thought they (UFOs) were somebody else, some other
civilization.”
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NASA’s Scott Carpenter - Mercury-7 astronaut.
“At no time, when the astronauts were in space were they alone:
there was a constant surveillance by UFOs.”
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On June 7, 1968, Lee Katchen, an atmospheric physicist with NASA
stated that on the basis of the 7,000 reports that he had examined,
he believed UFOs to be extraterrestrial probes.  “UFO sightings are
now so common, the military doesn’t have time to worry about them
- so they screen them out.  The major defense systems have UFO
filters
built into them, and when a UFO appears, they simply ignore it.”
When asked for specifics, Katchen specifically singled out the radar
network employed by SAGE (semi-automatic ground environmental
system),
the North American tactical air defense system, which tracks all
aircraft flights.  “The filters cut out all unconventional objects or
targets and makes no record of UFOs”  Unconventional targets are
ignored, because, apparently we are only interested in Russian
targets,
possibly enemy targets.  Something that hovers in the air, then
shoots
off at 5,000 miles per hours, doesn’t interest us, because it can’t
be
the enemy.  UFOs are picked up by ground and air radar, and they have
been photographed by gun camera all along.  There are so many UFOs
in the sky that the Air Force has had to employ special radar
networks to screen them out.”
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During the November 1966 Gemini-12 flight, in which James A.
Lovell Jr. and Edwin E. Aldrin Jr. set a record for that time of
5 1/2 hours of extravehicular activity, Lovell said he saw
“four objects lined up in a row.  I knew that they weren’t stars.”
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The U.S.A’s first astronaut, Colonel John Glenn, was quoted as saying
that he believed, “certain reports of flying saucers to be
legitimate.”
On his historic mission on February 20, 1962, Glenn radioed to all of
Earth his eerie description of the thousands of greenish-yellow
“fireflies that had approached his space capsule.”
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“Through official secrecy and ridicule, may citizens are led to
believe that unidentified flying objects are nonsense.  To hide
the facts, the Air Force has silenced its personnel.”
Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, Former Director of the CIA.
February 28, 1960.
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Bob Dean who has served 27 years in the Army  and has researched
UFOs for the last 40 years once saw an astonishing super-secret
NATO report entitled “The Assessment. “  This top-secret report
had been complied in the early 1960’s by top-level military experts
and scientists, and it’s conclusions were:
1)	Earth has been spied upon by several extraterrestrial civilizations
for thousands of years.
2)	These civilizations appear to be peaceful since they are so
advanced they could have taken over our planet by now.
3)	The visitors are increasing contact with us in a gradual
unfolding of a plan in which they eventually interact with Earth’s
inhabitants.
Bob Deans conclusions from his 40-year study is that “The human race
is a hybrid race and not only are we not alone in the Cosmos, but we
have never been alone.”
Dean also stated, “The human race has had an intimate inter-
relationship with several high technology, extremely advanced
extraterrestrial civilizations for several thousand years.”
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Among Oberth’s colleagues [or former colleagues] was Dr. Walther
Riedel, once chief designer and research director at the German
rocket center in Peenemunde.  After the war he engaged in secret
work for the U.S.  LIFE Magazine reported on April 7, 1952:
Dr. Riedel has never seen a saucer himself, but for several years
he has kept records of saucer sightings all over the world.  He
told LIFE:  “I am completely convinced that they have an out-of-world
basis.”
Dr. Riedel has four points to his argument: “First, the skin
temperatures of structures operating under the observed conditions
would make it impossible for any terrestrial structure to survive. The
skin friction of the missile at those speeds at those altitudes would
melt any metals or nonmetals available.
“Second, consider the high acceleration at which they fly and
maneuver... In some descriptions the beast spirals straight up.  If
you think of the fact that the centrifugal force in a few minutes of
such a maneuver would press the crew against the outside, and do
likewise to the blood, you see what I mean.
“Third.... There are many occurrences where they have done
things that only a pilot could perform but that no human pilot could
stand.
“Fourth, in most of the reports there is a lack of visible jet.
Most observers report units without visible flame . . . and no
trail.
If it would be any known type of jet, rocket, piston  engine, or
chain-reaction motor, there would be a very clear trail at high
altitude.
It is from no power unit we know of . . .”
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Also quoted in the LIFE article was Dr. Maurice Biot, leading
aerodynamicists and mathematical physicist, who said, “The
least improbable explanation is that these things are artificial and
controlled ... My opinion for some time has been that they have an
extraterrestrial origin.”
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Dr. Herman Oberth, the father of modern rocketry, is quoted as saying
in
1954, “UFOs are conceived and directed by intelligent beings of
a very high order. They probably do not originate in our solar
system, perhaps not even in our galaxy.”  Years later he was
quoted as saying, “We cannot take the credit for our record
advancement
in certain scientific fields alone.  We have been helped.”
When asked  by whom, he replied, “The people of other worlds.”
Oberth made his statement to a group of reporters in 1959 or
1960 upon his retirement.  But Oberth wasn’t alone in such
pronouncements.
Wilbert B. Smith was a Canadian electrical engineer.  Following an
interview with physicist Robert Sarbacher back in 1950, in which
Sarbacher confirmed the existence of crashed saucers and the recovery
of alien bodies, Smith got the Canadian government to establish
Project Magnet, an attempt to understand and duplicate flying saucer
performance.  This has all been well-documented from Smith’s notes of
his meeting with Sarbacher, confirmation by Sarbacher in the 1980s,
and various declassified Canadian government documents.
Smith gave a tape-recorded speech in Ottawa, Canada on March 31,
1958,
in which he summarized findings of a two-year UFO investigation,
including a series of communications with intelligences claiming to
be extraterrestrial and laboratory experiments suggested by these
entities that confirmed the validity of their alien science.  The
transcript of Smith’s speech is in “Flying Saucer Review,”
Sept/Oct 1963, pp. 13-16.
Timothy Good in “Above Top Secret” (p. 205) also noted that Smith
wrote an article in 1958 in which he said that contact had been
established with the occupants of UFOs and that he had learned a great
deal from investigating these contacts.  He wrote, “But it soon became
apparent that there was a very real and quite large gap between this
alien science and the science in which I had been trained.  Certain
crucial experiments were suggested and carried out, and in each case
the results confirmed the validity of the alien science.  Beyond this
point the alien science just seemed to be incomprehensible.
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Churchill’s Fears of UFO Invasion The People [London]
From Gerry Lovell <gerry@farshore.force9.co.uk> 10/18/98
WORRIED Winston Churchill ordered a top-level probe into UFOs when he
was Premier, it was revealed yesterday.  The Lord Chancellor, Lord
Irvine, revealed the investigation as he admitted the Government is
holding at least 33 top-secret files on UFOs.  The classified
documents are held under lock and key at the Public Record Office in
Kew, West London, and Lord Irvine says there may be more in other
Government departments.
But the information contained is so sensitive it cannot be released
with the other 23 files reporting sightings between 1943 and 1967
which have already been made public.  Churchill asked his air minister
Lord Cherwell to investigate in 1952, writing: “What does all this
stuff about flying saucers amount to?  What can it mean? What is the
truth?”
He was told 12 days later there was no evidence flying saucers
existed. Yet official documents show the War Office received reports
that flying saucers were spotted by the RAF’s 115 Squadron on  bombing
raids over Germany in 1943. And in the year Churchill asked for his
investigation, another  two sightings had been reported to the War
Office.  Lord Irvine’s statement follows questioning by Lord Hill-
Norton, Chief of the Defence Staff in the 1970s, who says UFO evidence
is being concealed.
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It is time for the truth to be brought out...
Behind the scenes high-ranking  Air Force officers are soberly
concerned about the UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule,
many citizens are led to believe the unknown flying
objects are nonsense....
I urge immediate Congressional action to reduce the dangers
from secrecy about unidentified flying objects.—
Former CIA Director Vice Admiral Roscoe  Hillenkoetter,
signed statement to Congress, August 22, 1960.
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I don’t know whether this story has ever been told or not.
They weren’t called UFOs. They were called enemy helicopters.
And they were only seen at night and they were only seen in
certain places. They were seen up around the DMZ in the early
summer of ‘68. And this resulted in quite a little battle.
And in the course of this, an Australian destroyer took a hit
and we never found any enemy, we only found ourselves when
this had all been sorted out. And this caused some shooting there,
and there was no enemy at all involved but we always reacted.
Always after dark. The same thing happened up at Pleiku at the
Highlands in ‘69.
General George S. Brown, USAF Chief of Staff,
Department of Defense transcript of press c
onference in Illinois, October 16, 1973.
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We have, indeed, been contacted—perhaps even visited—
by extraterrestrial beings, and the US government, in collusion
with the other national powers of the Earth, is determined to
keep this information from the general public.
• Victor Marchetti, former Special Assistant to the Executive Director
of the CIA, in an article written by him for Second Look entitled “How
the CIA Views the UFO Phenomenon”, Vol 1, No 7, Washington, DC, May,
1979.
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In any case, the Air Force has arrived to the conclusion that a
certain
number of anomalous phenomena has been produced within Belgian
airspace. The numerous testimonies of ground observations compiled
in this [SOBEPS] book, reinforced by the reports of the night of
March 30-31 [1990], have led us to face the hypothesis that a certain
number of unauthorized aerial activities have taken place. Until now,
not a single trace of aggressiveness has been signalled; military or
civilian air traffic has not been perturbed nor threatened. We can
therefore advance that the presumed activities do not constitute a
direct menace.
The day will come undoubtedly when the phenomenon will be observed
with technological means of detection and collection that won’t leave
a single doubt about its origin. This should lift a part of the veil
that has covered the mystery for a long time.  A mystery that
continues to the present. But it exists, it is real, and that in
itself is an important conclusion.
Major-General Wilfred de Brouwer, Deputy Chief, Royal Belgian Air
Force, “Postface” in SOBEPS’ Vague d’OVNI sur la Belgique -Un Dossier
Exceptionnel, Brussels: SOBEPS, 1991.
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More than 10,000 sightings have been reported, the majority of which
cannot be accounted for by any “scientific” explanation... I am
convinced
that these objects do exist and that they are not manufactured by any
nation on Earth. I can therefore see no alternative to accepting the
theory that they come from some extraterrestrial source.
Air Chief Marshal Lord Dowding, Commander-in-Chief of the Royal Air
Force Fighter Command during the Battle of Britain, printed in  Sunday
Dispatch, London, July 11, 1954.
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The evidence that there are objects which have been seen in our
atmosphere, and even on terra firma, that cannot be accounted for
either as man-made objects or as any physical force or effect known
to our scientists, seems to me to be overwhelming... A very large
number of sightings have been vouched for by persons whose
credentials seem to me unimpeachable. It is striking that so many
have been trained observers, such as police officers and airline or
military pilots. Their observations have in many instances...
been supported either by technical means such as radar or, even
more convincingly, by...interference with electrical
apparatus of one sort or another....
Lord Hill-Norton, Chief of Defense Staff, Ministry of Defense, Great
Britain, 1973; Chairman, Military Committee of NATO, 1974-77; quoted
from his foreword to “Above Top Secret” by Timothy Good, Morrow &
Co’s Quill Books, 1988.
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The number of thoughtful, intelligent, educated people in full
possession of their faculties who have “seen something” and
described it, grows every day... We can... say categorically that
mysterious objects have indeed appeared and continue to appear
in the sky that surrounds us.
General Lionel M. Chassin, Commanding General of the French Air
Forces, and General Air Defense Coordinator of the Allied Air Forces
of  NATO, in foreword to Aime Michel’s “Flying Saucers and the
Straight-Line Mystery”, Criterion Books, 1958.
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I must say that if listeners could see for themselves the mass of
reports coming in from the airborne gendarmerie, from the mobile
gendarmerie, and from the gendarmerie charged with the job of
conducting investigations, all of which reports are forwarded by us to
the National Center for Space Studies, then they would see that it
is all pretty disturbing.
I believe that the attitude of spirit that we must vis-a-vis this
phenomenon is an open one, that is to say that it doesn’t consist in
denying a priori, as our ancestors of previous centuries did deny many
things that seem nowadays perfectly elementary.
M. Robert Galley, French Minister of Defense, interviewed on radio by
Jean-Claude Bourret, February 21, 1974.
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Taking into account the facts that we have gathered from the
observers and from the location of their observations, we
concluded that there generally can be said to be a material
phenomenon behind the observations. In 60% of the cases reported
here,
the description of this phenomenon is apparently one of a flying
machine whose origin, modes of lifting and/or propulsion are totally
outside our knowledge.
Dr. Claude Poher, Ph.D. in astronomy, founder and first director of
GEPAN, the UFO investigative office under the French government’s
National Center for Space Sciences which analyzed reports from the
Gendarmerie from 1974 through 1978, writing in the GEPAN Report to the
Scientific Committee, June, 1978, Vol 1, Chapter 4.
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Around Szolnok many UFO reports have been received from the
Ministry of Defense, which obviously and logically means that
they [UFOs] know very well where they have to land and what
they have to do. It is remarkable indeed that the Hungarian
newspapers, in general newspapers everywhere, reject the
reports of the authorities.
George Keleti, Minister of Defense, Hungary, in article by Attila
Lenart entitled “Ask a Question to the Minister of Defense:
George Keleti, Are You Afraid of a UFO Invasion?”,
Nepszava, Budapest, August 18, 1994.
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UFOs sighted in Indonesia are identical with those sighted in other
countries. Sometimes they pose a problem for our air defense and
once we were obliged to open fire on them.
Air Marshall Roesmin Nurjadin, Commander-in-Chief of the Indonesian
Air Force, in a letter to Yusuke J. Matsumura dated May 5, 1967,
reprinted in Good ibid.
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First of all, I told a magazine this past January that, as an
underdeveloped
country with regards to the UFO problem, Japan had to take into
account
what should be done about the UFO question, and that we had to spend
more time on these matters. In addition,
I said that someone had to solve the UFO problem with far reaching
vision at the same time. Secondly, I believe it is a reasonable time
to take the UFO problem seriously as a reality...I hope that this
Symposium will contribute to peace on Earth from the point of
view of outer space, and take the first step toward the international
cooperation in the field of UFOs.
Toshiki Kaifu, Prime Minister, Japan, in a letter to Mayor Shiotani
of Hakui City, dated June 24, 1990, endorsing an upcoming Space & UFO
Symposium.
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I believe that UFOs are spaceships or extraterrestrial craft...
The nations of the world are currently working together in the
investigation of the UFO phenomenon. There is an international
exchange of data. Maybe when this group of nations acquires more
precise and definite information, it will be possible to release
the news to the world.
General Carlos Castro Cavero, General in the Spanish Air Force and
former Commander of Spain’s Third Aerial Region, in an interview with
J. J. Benitez, La Gaceta del Norte, Balboa, Spain, June 27, 1976.
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No agency in this country or Russia is able to duplicate at this time
the speeds and accelerations which radars and observers indicate
these flying objects are able to achieve... there are objects coming
into our atmosphere at very high speeds.
Admiral Delmer S. Fahrney, former head of the Navy’s
guided-missile program, printed in New York Times, January 17, 1957,
p. 31.
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“OUR LIVES BEGIN TO END THE DAY WE BECOME SILENT ABOUT THINGS THAT
MATTER”  -- Martin Luther King
A community will evolve only when the people control their means of
communication.—Frantz Fanon
Capitalism is the relentless accumulation of capital for the
acquisition of profit.  Capitalism is a carnivore.  It cannot be made
over into a herbivore without gutting it,i.e., abolishing it.- Warren
Wagar,  Professor of History, State University
of New York at Binghamton
“If the world is saved, it will be saved by people with changed minds,
people with a new vision. It will not be saved by people with the old
vision but new programs.”—Daniel Quinn, “The Story of B”
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“Of course the people don’t want war ...but, after all, it is the
leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is
always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it
is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament or
a communist dictatorship ... voice or no voice, the people
can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is
easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being
attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism
and exposing the country to danger.”—Hermann Goering,
one of the original Nazis at his Nuremberg trial in 1946
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LORD HILL-NORTON, Admiral of the Fleet, former Chief of the
Defense Staff, former Chairman of the NATO Military Committee
states, “The evidence that there are objects which have been
seen in our atmosphere, and even on terra firma, that cannot be
accounted for either as man-made objects or as any physical
force or effect known to our scientists seems to me to be
overwhelming. . . There have been thousands, perhaps tens of
thousands, of sightings and encounters, physical results and of
the latter, by people all over the world whose evidence on any
other subject would be accepted without question.”
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