On Sep 7, 12:40 am, Cujo DeSockpuppet <c...@petitmorte.net> wrote:
"Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <scie...@zzz.com> wrote innews:af3b6ab1-2972-4853-89c4-1f39c7214a58@d9g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
On Sep 6, 10:15 am, Cujo DeSockpuppet <c...@petitmorte.net> wrote:
"Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <scie...@zzz.com> wrote
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On Sep 5, 7:21 am, Cujo DeSockpuppet <c...@petitmorte.net> wrote:
"H." <hbo...@charter.net> wrote in news:3huom.12577$UH2.3054
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"Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."
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On Sep 4, 8:34 pm, Cujo DeSockpuppet
<c...@petitmorte.net> wrote:
Chris Krolczyk <arfiend2...@gmail.com> wrote in
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On Sep 4, 8:40 am, Cujo DeSockpuppet
<c...@petitmorte.net> wrote:
Request DENIED, sockboi.
Just out of curiosity, was that last paragraph by
Artie/Richard/Jerry yet another stock insult 'graph
he adapted? It seemed strangely...coherent.
The first clue is that "Filo Kevetch" is a slight
change of spelling from a
Soupy Sales character, much like the HoleFlapper sock
using a Firesign
Theater character for a sobriquet.
I suspect it's another Artie/Gary sock and the
dialogue is ripped off from
elsewhere. You're right, it's much too coherent for
HoleFlapper.
Enough chatter from you worthless debunkers. From here
on out - you
will have to ask permission to post, and guess what,
PERMISSION
DENIED!! Get it? Then get lost, forever!!!
Long BS diatribe deleted<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Holeflapper, go fuck yourself and raise your own little
baby basterds.
This post has been APPROVED!
WRONG! All debunkers must now register to be here with the
following organizations: DIA, NRO, NSA, SAGAN, PAGAN, NATO, HUD,
FDA, NBA, NHL, HEW, and NISA.
You're a powerless kook, sockboi. Whine some more...
Let's put it his way, well over 99% of the debunkers who posted on
this newsgroup are gone, vanished, disappeared.
Evidence, please.
Nice try, it has been presented over 100, that's one hundred times!!
The ET Question - Do We Really Have A Need To Know? By Jim Hickman
<jhickman@itlnet.net>
I have spent several sleepless nights since first researching this
material. I feel it's content is so important that I must publish this
with an advisory, as parts of this report are very graphic, again I
apologize, but this is composed of true reports, so here goes. Those
in power say "NO" and I think I know why they want to keep their
secret a little longer. I think I am beginning to understand why they
can't reveal the "truth". This report will show that the Air Force has
known for decades that some aliens are just not friendly. Some are
here, as one of my favorite old Twilight Zone shows puts it, "To Serve
Man" need I say more?
I will show from previously secret Air Force files, reports from
reliable eyewitnesses and a special
report from my friend, Don Ecker he calls "The Human Mutilation
Factor" that it seems that cattle
aren't the only things some aliens are looking for: People
occasionally report feeling pain or receiving an injury during a UFO
encounter or abduction. Physical effects include eye irritation,
sunburn, skin cuts, and sickness. After the experience, witnesses may
have nightmares and feel anxious, and they may undergo personality
changes or changes in their beliefs about important life
issues. Witnesses, especially abductee's, claim later UFO encounters
and other experiences with the
paranormal, such as poltergeist activity or the development of psychic
powers. Some people are now reporting "Alien Implants"; an expert in
the field is Dr. Roger Leir, (http://alienscalpel.com/) who has
removed several objects from people who have had the abduction
experiences. I received a report from him just the other day:
"I have been very busy with the surgery that was performed on the 5th
of this month. We were able to remove another cantaloupe seed type
implant. We also were able to investigate numerous other aspects of
this case including some of the physiological aspects and in addition
were able to look into some of the electronic emissions coming from
the object."
Some of Dr. Leir's findings are quite remarkable.
"The findings of these implant surgeries are highly unusual," reported
Dr. Leir. "In all these cases, there was virtually no inflammatory
response." This is not the usual finding in foreign tissue reactions.
Normally, foreign bodies embedded in tissues result in some type of
acute or chronic inflammatory response, and may include fibrosis and
cyst formation. Such was not the case here. The pathology reports of
the first two surgeries revealed that the metallic objects were
encased in a very dense, tough, grey membrane consisting of
proteinaceous coagulum, hemoseridin and pure keratin. More simply,
blood protein and skin cells that are usually found in the superficial
layer of
the skin. The tough, biological "cocoons" encasing the implants were
also found to contain nerve
proprioceptors - nerve and pressure cells of the wrong tissue type for
that part of the body. These
implant cocoons also fluoresced a bright green color in the presence
of an ultraviolet light source.
The implants from the two women from the second set of surgeries did
not exhibit metallic properties like the implants from the first set
of surgeries. In fact, the spheroid, whitish objects did not contain
the tough, biological outer jackets, or fluoresce from a UV light
source. These types of
implants (possibly biological) also lacked the expected inflammatory
response, according to the
pathology reports. The crystalline-like object excised from the foot
in the most recent surgery, also lacked the tough, grey, outer
membrane and had virtually no inflammatory response, as in the other
implant surgeries. Test results from the first set of implants
revealed that the lammelar, needle shaped metallic objects in question
are basically meteoric in origin, containing at least eleven different
elements.
Alien Implants are just the tip of this story. UFO researcher Don
Ecker reports that over the years,
there have been numerous cases where the phenomenon has figured into
human deaths, but as a rule, most cases have been officially ruled
accidental. He continues in his report, "the matter of either
overt or covert hostility on the part of UFOs has always been treated
warily by serious researchers.
On the one hand, if the enigma is hostile, then several questions must
be faced. What if anything
should the powers in authority tell the public? Is the government
capable of handling a threat of this
type? Is the public ready to face an issue as potentially terrifying
as a "possible threat from somewhere else?"
Don has a good point! Do we really want to know this kind of secret? I
sure don't. I have to sleep
at night! That's one secret that the government can keep! He states,
"I had been warned by a prominent Ufologist, that there was a lid
"screwed down tighter than you would believe in regards to human
mutes." Continuing, "In one of the less well known cases, during the
mid 1950's, a military jet interceptor was observed on radar being
"absorbed" into a UFO over the Great Lakes. No trace of pilot or
aircraft was ever found. In another case reported in the excellent
work "Clear Intent" was the case of the "Cuban MIG Incident". In this
case a Cuban MIG was locking on his weapons radar when the aircraft
exploded in mid-air. The wing man was certain that the UFO had fired
some type of weapon, but other than the jet exploding, no other smoke,
flame or other obvious weapon firing was observed."
Don states "I was once again speaking to Don Mason, when he informed
me that the investigator that had been assigned to the above mentioned
case had come across a very mysterious death of a man back in 1979.
According to the report, two hunters in the Bliss and Jerome area of
Idaho had literally stumbled across the nude body of a man that had
been hideously mutilated.
The body was in the literal middle of nowhere, nude except for a pair
of underpants, his sexual organs had been removed, his lips sliced
off, and several other classic mutilation cuts. Although he was in
very rugged country, his bare feet were not marked as if he had walked
in that terrain, but yet no other tracks, animal or human were evident
anywhere.
After the police were notified, an intensive search was mounted, and
miles away, the mans possessions were recovered, yet no one yet knows
how the body ended up where it was found, or even more importantly,
what happened to him. It should be noted that this area also had over
the years, many unexplained UFO reports and cattle mutilations."
Dr. J. Allen Hynek has stated that on several occasions, he specified
that he wanted no mention of the dozens of human abductions that they
had already uncovered at that time, Hynek was afraid of the adverse
publicity if word of this aspect leaked out to the public. Another
good example of a very unkind alien encounter is the case of Sgt.
Jonathan P Louette, who was stationed at White Sands missile test
range in 1956 and whose mutilated body was found on the range three
days after an Air Force major had witnessed his abduction by a "disk
shaped" object. Louette's genitals had been removed, his rectum cored
out with surgical precision and his eyes excised. I have copies of the
photos of the body in this case that were given to me by Col. Steve
Wilson. However, I find them too disturbing to post here.
I had my own sighting at White Sands as many of you know, I'm just
glad they left me alone:
Moving on, one of the most famous UFO sightings resulting in injuries
to witnesses involved two women, Betty Cash and Vicki Landrum, and
Mrs. Landrum's grandson, Colby, as they drove along a deserted Texas
road during December 1980. In front of them, they saw a huge,
brilliant, diamond-shaped object with flames shooting out from the
bottom.
Cash stopped the car and got out to have a better look at the UFO. The
object radiated intense heat that softened the dashboard of her car.
Terrified, Cash returned to the car and with the others, watched the
UFO move away. As it did so, a squadron of helicopters appeared and
surrounded the UFO. The witnesses followed the object and the
helicopters until they disappeared in the distance. By the time the
three reached home, all were feeling ill.
Within a few hours, they developed sunburn-like blisters, nausea, and
diarrhea. Betty Cash's symptoms were the most severe, and she
eventually sought medical treatment and was hospitalized as a burn
victim. Her doctor concluded Cash was exhibiting symptoms of radiation
sickness. The witnesses later sued the United States government,
claiming it was responsible for their injuries. (They had identified
the helicopters as Chinook twin-rotor helicopters used by the U.S.
Army.)
Their lawsuit was unsuccessful because they could never prove the UFO
or the helicopters were devices owned and operated by the American
government.
Some say that Aliens are friendly, gentle and kind, but I would ask
you to consider the Mantell case. The Air Force wants you to believe
that Capt. Tom Mantell had seen Venus, and then he had intercepted a
weather balloon! We know better don't we?
I have included the report for those not familiar with this incident.
January 7, 1948 Captain Thomas Mantell (USAF) crashes in his F-51
Mustang while allegedly
pursuing a UFO.
On the afternoon of January 7, 1948, a control tower operator at
Godman Air Force Base, in Kentucky, answered the telephone. It was an
innocent enough action, surely, but was nevertheless destined to set a
series of events in motion that ultimately would lead one man to his
death. The call was from an officer of the Kentucky State Patrol, who
wanted to know if Godman was aware of any unusual aerial activity in
the vicinity. Godman knew of no activity in the area, and a quick
check with Wright-Patterson AFB Flight Service in Ohio confirmed that
there were no scheduled flights. Nevertheless, the state patrol was
back on the phone to Godman about twenty minutes later, reporting that
individuals in Owensboro and Irvington, Kentucky, were seeing a
strange object
in the sky.
This unidentified object was described by the witnesses as 250-300
feet in diameter, moving rapidly in a westerly direction. At precisely
1:45 in the afternoon, the tower operators at Godman were seeing the
object. Certain that it was not a balloon they called flight
operations. Soon, word of the strange object in the sky over Kentucky
had spread across the base, and the base commander, Colonel Hix, came
to the control tower to see the object for himself. Around 2:30, the
men in the tower were beginning to talk about possible courses of
action to deal with the anomaly in the sky above. By happenstance, at
that very moment, four F-51 Mustangs were approaching the base. The
tower operator spoke to the flight leader, a Captain Thomas Mantell,
and asked him to have a look at the object. Mantell agreed, and he and
two of his wingmen turned their airplanes around and headed for the
object, while the fourth pilot, his craft low on fuel, continued on to
land at its base.
The planes labored upwards to 10,000 feet, with Mantell pulling out in
the lead. At 2:45 PM, Mantell radioed the tower: "I see something
above and ahead of me, and I'm still climbing. " Moments later, one of
his wingmen was overheard radioing Mantell: "What in the hell are you
looking for?"
Some UFO researchers claim that Mantell radioed back, saying "I've
sighted the thing. It looks metallic, and it's tremendous in size..."
The tower operators, according to Captain Edward Ruppelt's account in
The Report on Unidentified Flying objects, never agreed among
themselves that Mantell actually said this. However, they did agree
that Mantell said, a few seconds later, "It's above me and I'm gaining
on it. I'm going to 20,000 feet." Shortly after that last transmission
Mantell's F-51 came hurtling down from the sky, and spread itself
across the landscape. At 3:52 P.M., a telephone at Godman Air Force
Base rang. Captain Thomas Mantell was dead. The opinion of the Air
Technical Intelligence Center (ATIC) at that time was given as
follows: It is the [ATIC] opinion that Captain Mantell lost
consciousness due to oxygen starvation, the aircraft being trimmed
continued to climb until increasing altitude caused a sufficient loss
of power for it to level out. The aircraft then began a turn to the
left due to torque and as the wing drooped so did the nose until the
aircraft was in a tight diving spiral.
The uncontrolled descent resulted in excessive speed causing the
aircraft to disintegrate. It is believed that Captain Mantell never
regained consciousness. This is born out by the fact that the canopy
lock was still in place after the crash, discounting any attempt to
abandon the aircraft. The UFO was in no way directly responsible for
this experienced pilot conducting high altitude flight without the
necessary oxygen equipment. The Air Force posited that Mantell had
spied Venus, then at 33 above the southern horizon.
The Venus explanation has been frowned upon by a host of UFOlogists,
most notably the late J. Allen Hynek, who aptly noted that, on the
date in question, Venus was only six times brighter than the
surrounding sky. While this sounds like an impressive measure, in
practice, an object only six times brighter than the surrounding sky
is very difficult to see. It most certainly does not rate as a
conspicuous sight. Therefore, I am inclined to side with those
skeptical of the Venus explanation. However, that Mantell may have
chased a Skyhook balloon, then a classified naval research project, is
a distinct possibility. Skyhook balloons were, in fact, being released
from Clinton County Air Force base in Ohio around that time, and a
wind plot for January 7, 1948, revealed that the track of such a
balloon on that day would have carried it near Godman Field in
Kentucky. In a strange occurrence Skyhook plays several roles in
Ufology, did you know that Major Donald Keyhoe of NICAP fame wrote
about Project Skyhook in New Mexico, and it was invaded by UFO's. This
was later made into a movie called, "Earth vs. the Flying Saucers"
back in the early ë50's.
Unfortunately, there appears to be some confusion as to whether a
Skyhook was actually launched from Clinton County AFB on January 7,
1948. In Brad Steiger's synopsis of the Air Force UFO projects,
commentary is found to the effect that "...it was subsequently
determined that on the date of the Godman sighting a balloon was
released by the Navy from Clinton County Airport in Ohio." I would say
that Capt Mantell had a close encounter with a non-friendly alien.
Another report of an attacking alien comes in from the Cleveland
Press, thanks to investigator DANIEL WILSON of Painesville, Ohio for
this story:
"Saucer Attacked Me, Pilot Declares"
The Cleveland Press, Wednesday, July 30, 1952 By Charles Tracy,
Aviation Editor
Within minutes after his hair-raising experience, I talked to a
veteran Air Force pilot who excitedly reported that his F-51 fighter
plane was attacked repeatedly by a flying saucer. The incident, never
before revealed to the public, occurred a year ago at 8000 feet over
Augusta, Ga., on a warm, sunny, clear day. The pilot's own startling
story is in the files in Washington. I never saw the official report,
and in repeating the pilot's conversation with me, I am violating no
security. The pilot was First Lieut. George Kinman of Birmingham,
Ala., veteran of seven year's service, including action in World War
II. He was stationed at Lawson Air Force Base, Columbus, Ga., with the
117th Tactical Reconnaissance Wing. I was assistant wing operations
officer. (Charles Tracy, an Air Force captain in World War II, was
called back into service in 1950, was discharged five months ago.) Our
outfit was preparing for overseas duty and we were running a lot of
practice missions. We sent photo planes out to get pictures of
bridges, airfields, etc. At times we would dispatch pilots over the
harbors to count the ships and report. This was to test their accuracy
in visual reconnaissance.
It was while returning from one of these practice missions that Lieut.
Kinman had the daylights scared out of him. He was over Augusta, about
80 miles or 20 minutes flying time from home base. "I was cruising at
about 250 mph," he told me after making a somewhat shaky landing in
his Mustang, a single-engine job equipped with cameras but no guns.
"All of a sudden I noticed something ahead, closing in on me head-
on," Kinman reported. "Before I could take evasive action - before I
even thought of it, in fact - this thing dipped abruptly and passed
underneath, just missing my propeller." He described "the thing" as
"definitely of disc shape... white... pretty thick... it looked like
an oval... it was about twice as big as my plane... it had no visible
protrusions like motors, guns, windows, smoke or fire." Kinman said he
immediately turned around but couldn't see anything.(The F-51 Mustang
had a bubble canopy which affords excellent vision in all directions.)
Within 15 seconds, he estimated, the disc came directly at him again
and once more dipped suddenly at the last possible moment to avoid a
collision. This happened repeatedly, he said, for five to ten minutes.
Each time, he said, he would look back, but by then the strange object
had disappeared. Kinman tried to put his plane in position to use the
cameras in his fuselage, adjusted to shoot the ground while in level
flight. He was not successful and his films, when developed, showed
nothing. "I was upset and scared by the whole thing," Kinman told me.
"While this was going on I radioed the nearest Civil Aeronautics
Authority traffic control center. (This is routine procedure for a
pilot who sights unscheduled air traffic.) "On its final pass at me,
the disc whirled upward. I thought it was going to take a piece of my
canopy with it." Then, he said, it disappeared. After landing, Kinman,
his face chalk-white, walked into the operations offices at Lawson and
told the airdrome officer. "I just saw something very strange, like a
flying saucer. What should I do?" I was called. I heard part of
Kinman's story and informed him the Air Force had a formal
intelligence report he would be requested to fill out. I stood by as
he went over the details with an intelligence officer.
Kinman was reluctant to volunteer details and had to be "pumped." He
seemed to think we'd belittle his reports, maybe think he was out of
his head. He wouldn't estimate the speed of the "disc," but said "it
was awfully fast." Several days later, his report was sent to
Washington. Kinman was called to Macon, Ga., where the Air Materials
Command has a big base, and interviewed by high Air Force officers.
Some laughed. A few fellows at the base, when the story got around,
were inclined to poo-poo the idea. They thought Kinman was pulling a
fast one. But the higher-up officers thought it was a serious
incident. Knowing Kinman's experience, ability, observant powers and
reputation for truth, I see He still is a pilot with the 117th flying
jets in Germany. To my knowledge, Kinman's was the first and only
report of an actual attack by a flying saucer, but the carefully
guarded Air Force files may contain stories to match his. I, for one,
wouldn't be surprised. End of article.
I received this report while I was running the Skywatch mailing list
for Col. Steve Wilson; this story is very similar to what's being
reported being done to cattle in the San Luis Valley area by my
friend, Chris O'Brien in his book "The Mysterious Valley".
RELATED HOMOCIDE IN BRAZIL THE COMPLETE STORY
Mon, 2 Dec 1996 14:55:12 If this case is authentically UFO-related -
and at this time I have no reason to believe it is not - then all of
us are going to have to reevaluate to one degree or another our
tentative conclusions as to the possible specific intentions, moral
perspectives and general agenda that some of our extraterrestrial
visitors may have. Brazilian ufologist Encarnacion Zapata Garcia and
Dr. Rubens Goes have recently presented a series of sensational
photographs, obtained from police files which mimic the wounds of
countless UFO-related animal mutilation cases that have been reported
in Europe and North, Central and South America since the 1960s. On
first glance they would seem to be ufology's worst nightmare.
What is more disturbing is that Brazilian urologists and police have
intimated that there may be at least a dozen or more cases similar to
the recently uncovered Guarapiranga reservoir case. Obviously if the
Guarapiranga data is legitimate, then it becomes increasingly
difficult to maintain the position that all visitors are demonstrating
a relatively friendly attitude toward humans, regardless of what their
specific agenda(s) may be. The Guarapiranga situation indicates that
there is at least one group of alien visitors to the planet who have a
complete disdain for human sensibilities, who, in fact, could care
less about the value of human life. I came to the same conclusion
because all other alternatives were neither supported by facts nor
good logic, whereas the similarities to numerous cattle mutilations
which I had studied in the United States were startling, exactly
paralleling what I have seen many times before.
The specifics of the case are as follows: Encarnacion Garcia learned
from her friend, Dr. Rubens Goes, that he was in possession of some
rather "odd" photos which had been given to him by his cousin, police
technician, Rubens Sergio. These were official photos of a body that
had been found near Guarapiranga reservoir on the 29th of September
1988, of an unnamed male who was, however, later identified. The name
of this man has been withheld from all media investigators, including
UFO investigators, at the request of his relatives. After studying the
photos, Encarnacion Garcia was impressed with how similar the wounds
of the body were to those found on the carcasses of so many UFO-
related mutilated animals...
Note: I am going to edit out the most disturbing parts of this autopsy
report:
The body was in perfect condition. Rigor mortis had not set in and it
was estimated that the victim had been killed approximately 48 to 72
hours previously. There were no signs of animal predation or
putrefaction that might be expected. Strangely, there was no odor to
the cadaver. Bleeding from the wounds had been minimal.
The black coloration found in the face area and in other places within
the photo is partly due to low light exposure when this photo and
others were taken. It is also partly due to coagulated blood in the
wound areas. As can clearly be seen, flesh and lips have been excised
around the mandibles, as is common in cattle and other animal
mutilations, the autopsy report noted, "the eyes and ears were also
removed and the mouth cavity was emptied." Removal of these body
parts, including the tongue as here, is common enough in animal
mutilation cases.
The autopsy report states: "There has been a removal of extensive
tissue along many parts of the face, head and neck of the victim...
There has also been extraction of ocular tissue, eyes, internal and
external organs (ears) and entire parts of the head. The tongue and
several muscles were also extracted." The kinds of cuts on the cadaver
are what we have come to expect in UFO-related animal mutilation
cases. Of primary interest is their precision. The "surgery" (or
butchery, if you will) was done with agility and care and probably
with speed. The lack of profuse bleeding suggests the use of a laser-
like instrument producing acute heat, thus cauterizing almost
immediately the edge of the wounds.
It is probable that even some of the internal organs of the man could
have been removed through this incision." What is most compelling
about the anal incision and the extraction of anal and digestive tract
tissue is that it is a carbon copy of the surgery we have seen in so
many UFO-related animal mutilation cases.
Here is an example of that type of mutilation done to cattle in a
report from Chris O'Brien's site:
http://home.amigo.net/tmv/
Gelding Found Mutilated South of Alamosa
Wed December 17, 1997, at 10:30 a.m. 5 Miles SW of Alamosa, SLV CO
MUTE
Rancher Ron Gardiner discovered a dead gelding 5 miles SW of Alamosa,
CO, in the San Luis Valley So-Cen CO/No-Cen NM. The animal was still
warm and the rancher estimated the animal was killed and mutilated
sometime around dawn. The horse was missing its penis and an 8-inch
circular patch of hide behind the sheath-- which was intact. The rear-
end was neatly cored out in a slightly elongated circle to a depth of
8 to 9 inches. Eyes and tongue were intact. The animal was found lying
on its right side at the bottom of a dry, 7-foot deep irrigation canal
channel.
There was evidence of a struggle i.e., broken chimisa bushes and
thrashing marks, but besides the unfortunate gelding's tracks, there
were no other tracks present. No apparent scavenger interest noted and
two horses in the small herd seemed curious and unafraid of the
carcass. The carcass did not bloat. No downside incisions or
additional evidence noted by the rancher, this investigator, or the
Alamosa County Sheriff investigator, but a 5-inch shallow gash in the
hide was present on the neck. Several drops, which appeared to be
blood was found in snow about 60 feet away over the fence and across
the road.
I hope this report isn't too disturbing, I just wish it weren't true!
Jim Hickman Director-Aerial Phenomena Research Group Homepage:
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