george wrote:

On Oct 24, 9:38 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:

george wrote:

On Oct 24, 2:37 am, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:

What I'm saying exactly is that they are all hallucinating when
they claim to have observed Aleeun UFOs. Alcohol is a rather
common cause for
this ... so is weed ... or magic 'shrooms ... take your pick.
However, show me one single piece of hard evidence, and I mean a
piece
of metal not manufactured on Earth, a book with Alien hieroglyphs,
an irrefutable, non-photo-shopped close-up picture ... and I will
gladly withdraw
my first allegation ... But I know you just can't do it, neither
can LipFlapper

Holeflapper has as much idea about RADAR and its early development
as he has about any other reality.
UFOs are just that.
Unidentified Flying Objects and the early RADAR displays returned
all manner of errant signals.

We already know about those. There were also signals of solid
objects.

Oh? And how do you differentiate between a 'ghost' and a solid
return ?

Ask the trained radar operators. Do some research by getting info on what 
the case analysts concluded from them.
I've heard the conclusions but I'm not going to do your homework for you.
Its up to you to make an effort to find what will help you to make up your 
own mind.

As for aliens visiting Earth consider the distances and time
required to get anywhere.

There's only a distance and time problem when we consider our own
technology and understandings.
Most ETs are thousands of years ahead of us in technology. Why would
they use our tech to get around space?
Even we humans now have new theories of how to get around the
distance problem.

Rubbish. Trot out the alien technology, the off world metals and the
aliens.
That's all it will take to prove that you are correct and I'm wrong...

I can't just 'trot' out the alien technology due to the fact that its in 
military and private hands.
The military is not going to just put these things in museums. Can't you 
debunkers understand that?
This world isn't ready for that kind of openness yet. It will probably be at 
least a decade until we start seeing these things in museums.
I'm sorry to disappoint you but that's the way it is in this fear, power and 
secrecy based world.
But what you *can* do is find and read the secret government documents that 
have been trickle released over the years, and listen to the many 
testimonies from credible military whistleblowers about the hardware that 
*was* recovered.
Then you will begin to see the big picture starting to appear of what the 
truth is.

Its all nonsense..

Translation: I can't get my head around it all and I have little
knowledge about it.

That's your translation and as such you are wrong which I suppose is
nothing new to you..

No, you are wrong because what you're saying is totally different to what 
the experts are saying.
The experts and scientists are not saying "Its all nonsense" are they?
Only you immature and uninformed debunkers are saying that because your 
minds are now closed on the subject because nobody handed you the 'hard 
evidence' on a silver platter as you sat in your comfortable armchairs.


-- 
If you are a hard skeptic then you haven't researched or questioned
enough. If you believe something too much then you have the same
problem.