Subject: Re: EX-GI CLAIMS THE ARMY TRACKED UFOs ON RADAR AS EARLY AS 1942
From: "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au>
Date: 24/10/2009, 23:33
Newsgroups: alt.alien.research,alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranet.ufo,sci.skeptic

george wrote:
UFO's are Unidentified Flying Objects.
Once they are identified they become IFO's (Identified Flying Objects)


As I have said, UFO is a generic term for this ever broadening set of 
phenomena/cases.


There are no alien spacecraft..


That's your uninformed opinion.
People have had close experiences with craft and their occupants.


The first posters claims about early RADAR picking up UFOs shows that
his education on the subject has serious flaws.


Yours has more flaws. If you refuse to look at any other related/supporting 
cases then you will continue to look clueless.


One of the major problems of the early RADAR is now a major part of
every weather avoidance system.
CuNim clouds have vertical currents that can destroy aircraft.
These CuNims can be detected on RADAR by the water content of the
cloud and thus avoided.
However RADAR is unable to detect CAT (Clear Air Turbulence) because
there is no water content.
When RADAR was first used at sea the 'background' scatter of waves
caused many problems.


The reports have the objects doing unusual sudden manurers which your 
weather anomaly suggestions can't explain.
But unless you yourself saw those specific ones you cannot really comment on 
them.
I'm sure you and others have seen radar anomalies in your time but those 
were not these.
And its funny also how those specific weather phenomena only happened in the 
1940's and mostly above military facilities.
But like I have said, we are not really that interested in the radar only 
cases.
We are more interested in cases that coincided with visual sightings, or at 
least displayed a high level of unexplainable behaviour.
The other thing is if there is any chance that a radar tracing is only 
weather phenomena then why would the personnel bother reporting them in the 
first place?
Radar personnel have better things to do than risk their employment 
stability by reporting silly anomalies willy nilly. When they do make an 
effort to make a report its always for a serious reason. That's especially 
so with airline and fighter pilots.


All this is nothing new and crazier posters have attempted to make the
same claims over the years.
In the years that I have followed the subject many claims as to how
the 'government' was going to admit alien visitation 'next year' and
how some-one had an 'alien implant' .
And the claims that the 'government' has 'Flying Saucers/Alien Flying
Vehicles' hidden away somewhere on some military establishment.
Yet in all the years these claims have been made no-one who has served
on these Bases has ever been found who 'knows' of these places.


Bullcrap. Scores of ex-insiders have come forward with testimonies of the 
above things.
Its amply clear that you have not looked into any of this at all. All you 
have is a set of peripheral opinions and explain-aways.
Are you ever going to take a look at the Disclosure Project video at least 
so you have some clue about the officials who have come forward? If not then 
this discussion is over.


In the military the squaddie sweeps out -all-the buildings on the
Base.
And I repeat:
Some-one must be guarding those sites, painting them, cleaning them,
replacing lightbulbs and so on.


Yes they are.


The ranks need feeding, housing, married quarters, pay, sickbays,
transport, supervising officers.


Yes they do, and they are.


You cannot hide all these people from the ordinary daily routines of O
R on the Base..


Mostly they aren't hiding. Go to Area 51 and you'll see them. Go to Nellis 
or Wright-Patterson Air Force bases and you'll see them.
Have a look at the videos taken of them by others. Read up about them. Study 
Bob Lazars and other materials.
Get off your bum and actually make an effort. They won't come knocking on 
your door to introduce themselves.


-- If you are a hard skeptic then you haven't researched or questioned enough. If you believe something too much then you have the same problem.