Re: You Don't Have To 'Believe' In UFOs Any Longer,

On Oct 28, 1:30�pm, Rex <rexdudeREMOVEANDREVERSEDOM...@liam.ur> wrote:

You guys are in the same league as those who insist that there is a
god, that he made the Earth and the entire Universe, that he screwed
a virgin and thusly produced an offspring who could walk on water.
And these nutz, just like you lame brains, affirm their "faith" on a
weekly basis ...now who's the complete idiot ...


Agreed.


So in other words you place yourself in the class with people who say
that a whole array of stuff is "impossible". You do know that making
the statement that something is "impossible" is the mathematical
equivalent of saying "I'm a moron".

UFOs are what one would call an untestable hypothesis, in scientific
terms. Not one of the UFO sightings/abductions/grainy footage over the
years can be counted as independently verifiable evidence.


This is bullshit. UFOs are not especially hard to see. I have seen
them. So that means we have actual physical observations of phenomena
by a scientifically trained person. Many trained persons have seen
them. Such is valid enough for any other scientific observation.

The part that is unknown and untestable is proof of what these objects
actually are. Hint: The U in UFO stands for "unidentified". Duh.

For that to
happen either of the following must happen:
a) The US Govt de-classifies all information related to Roswell and
other similar episodes, and confirms that yes, it indeed was a UFO that
crashed, occupants corpses are stored in Area 51 etc etc. Good luck with
that happening anytime ever.


Obviously you are not talking about UFO existence here, but the
extraterrestrial hypothesis.
And even if it did happen we all know that everything a government
says can be believed without question. Governments never lie, do they?

b) A UFO makes a very public appearance, in broad daylight in a crowded
place like Times Square and the aliens come out and greet us. Preferably
they make a smooth landing and don't cause another Tunguska incident.


And what does that prove? That the government has saucer shaped
craft?  Hey the GERMANS had that in WWII. Any guess as to what those
same Nazis have come up with by now? (working for the U.S.A., natch)

The chances of (a) happening is as good as nil. For the second scenario,
well, if UFOs do exist they're quite content with behaving like
delinquents- scrawling crop circles, killing cows and coring out their
assholes, and kidnapping people from redneck country.


Don't you think aliens advanced enough to get here from the stars
would have better things to do than this. But your list sure sounds
like the kind of stuff the folks at Langley would come up with?

(Aside: How come so many UFO encounters seem to happen only in the US?
How about showing up in other countries for a change?)


Lie and more chaff thrown in the wind to make everyone sneeze. UFO
phenomena is easily seen with the most minimal effort to be world-
wide. You obviously prefer to lie than make a minimal effort.

So for all practical purposes, UFOs are in the same league as fairies,
Jesus, Elvis and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.


We already established that this statement is totally false. Of course
if you are talking about ALIENS then why not SAY aliens instead of
using the term UFOs which makes the statement false.

There's a lot of wishful thinking about them, and I'm sure every UFO
nerd secretly wishes for some incontrovertible evidence, 'absence of
proof != proof of absence' etc. etc. while watching re-runs of the X-Files.


Well, sure. Hey, "unidentified" means it's a mystery. Wouldn't any
nerd love to solve a puzzle?

This is still considered different from religious fundamentalists who
believe in the creation/apocalyptic myth of their professed religions
because of the desperation to win the approval and credibility of the
scientific community/rational minded folks. Religious fanatics by
contrast don't try to convince you about their beliefs, they expect it
to be taken as an article of faith.


Religious beliefs ARE a matter of faith. That is why they are called
religion! Unknown mysteries are actual puzzles to be solved. There is
no faith involved. As the OP indicated, when someone says "do you
believe" in UFOs that is a totally stupid thing to ask. It's like
asking if someone "believes" in the wind. Well, do you believe in the
wind? If so then please show me a nice dark not-grainy high resolution
photograph of the wind! What's that? You can't? Well then obviously
you are one of those "Wind" nutcases!

And I think this is the difference that the OP was trying to point out.


Yeah, that does show your level of understanding.

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