HVAC wrote:

"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
news:4aeb7234$0$6092$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

Look Andy..... Just face the fact that you are a natural born
sucker. Things will go easier on you after that.

Again, this fact is based on empirical evidence.

No. Its only fact according to closed minded conservative materialist
debunkers like yourself and loudmouthed public debunkers who only
believe the mainstream hard science fraternity and the government
and military disinformation campaigns for which there is proof by
the way.

Suggest my definition of 'proof' is slightly more conservative
than yours, since I require real proof....Not bullshit.

'Bullshit' is your rube like opinion.

I have taken in vast amounts of properly checked out information
over the last ten years or so from hundreds of credible sources.

Proof. That's all I want. I don't care if you line up a million
witnesses including Jesus Horatio Christ himself, because
in scientific terms those million witnesses equal exactly squat.

That kind of proof is not possible yet with the military/political world we 
still live in.
If you can't understand that and you're too lazy to find out like most of us 
already have then I can't help you.

You've acted* like a credulous rube in the past,
we can expect more of the same in the future.

I've done considerably more research since then.
You make assumptions about me based entirely on your closed minded
beliefs that only what the government and some old school scientists
say is true about ufos is actually the real truth and that the
average individual *can't possibly* be right.

Hello?  Can you fucking hear me?

I want PROOF.

How about a lollypop kiddy?
Grow up.
I'd like to see proof too but we can't yet.

You're the sucker, because you can't get your head around
metaphysical concepts

Definition: metaphysics

a.. speculation upon questions that are unanswerable
a.. to scientific observation, analysis, or experiment.

There you have it. What you are doing is SPECULATING.

That's fine, speculate away. Just don't expect me to accept
as fact the bullshit that you speculate about.

Definition: metaphysics

1. the branch of philosophy that treats of first principles, includes 
ontology and cosmology, and is intimately connected with epistemology.
2. philosophy, esp. in its more abstruse branches.
3. the underlying theoretical principles of a subject or field of inquiry.
4. (initial capital letter, italics) a treatise (4th century b.c.) by 
Aristotle, dealing with first principles, the relation of universals to 
particulars, and the teleological doctrine of causation.

Metaphysics is basically anything beyond the pure physical/material, which 
science is now progressing on to.

so you just believe and propagate everything the government says.

Well now, Obama wouldn't lie to us would he?

Are you serious?  Obama is a politician.  Politician are puppets.  He has 
already gone back on many if not all of his promises.
Every president has, and will continue to do so until the sheeple wake up 
and replace the current bullshit political structure.

He said his government would be 'transparent'.

Excuse me?  Since when do you believe anything a politician says?
A politician will say anything to get elected. They're much like high 
profile car salesman. Once the deal is done its back to the old policies 
after a bit of re-heating and recycling.
You Americans are such dupes. The rest of the world is laughing at you all.
You had one president that had been a movie star (Reagan), the last was 
barely literate.
Your presidency is a joke. Your elections are nothing but expensive 
popularity contests.

You guys are what the Russian governments used to call useful
idiots. You bark loudly like vicious dogs and hope that everyone
just runs away yelping so that you can remain supreme ruler of these
groups.  Pure ego.

Wow!  The Russians were talking about me and this group?

No silly. But the expression has become rather useful for how the govt. and 
military uses ignorant debunkers to turn the public against each other.

*I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt saying
that you *acted* like a rube.

You don't know anything about me or what I know. Unless of course
you work for the government that is.

How long are you paranoid conspiracy kooks gonna ride THAT scooter?

There's a lot you still need to learn about governments and military 
secrets.
I can't believe its the 21st century, its the information age with the 
internet, and there are still so many ignorant people in the world.
Its shameful. I guess you're just part of the older generation who can't 
keep up with the fast changing modern age.

Its pretty telling that you've been in these groups nearly every day
for at about ten years.
You're either an unemployed bitter researcher who never found what
he was looking for, or a you're spook.

I hereby deny working directly for the
government of the United States of America.


Glad we got THAT settled.

Ok.
You said 'directly'. Not sure what that means.


-- 
If you are a hard skeptic then you haven't researched or questioned
enough. If you believe something too much then you have the same
problem.