Re: For those who don't understand why there is a UFO coverup
Subject: Re: For those who don't understand why there is a UFO coverup
From: knowbuddee
Date: 20/11/2009, 18:29
Newsgroups: alt.alien.research,alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.paranet.ufo

Watch for more sitings & reports like this:

Examiner report/article: UFO-hovering-over-Oklahoma-skies-baffles-
astronomy-club


On the evening of 10-17-09 myself and four other club members were at
our astronomy clubs’ observatory (35.8308 96.14518) for a clear night
of observing. With many years of experience in observing under our
belts we were needless to say quite qualified to identify most
anything that we would see. Between approximately 6:40 – 7:00 P.M. one
of the members noticed something off in the west and queried as to
what it may happen to be.


First and foremost it was bright, more or less as bright as Jupiter,
yet setting about ten to twelve degrees above the horizon, due west.
At our first sighting most of us thought that it was nothing more than
an airliner reflecting sunlight from the setting sun but that
determination was tossed aside shortly there after. If it had been
what we first thought it was it would’ve lost it’s size and brightness
fairly quick as it shifted positions in relation to the sun while in
flight.

But, it continued to maintain its position, did not move in any
direction - vertically, horizontally. If by some chance it were a
celestial body it would follow a gradual celestial track that all of
us would have noticed in a few minutes. Again, it didn’t move,
remained in one position, which eliminated the possibility of it being
a celestial body that none of us were unlikely familiar with. That
alone became puzzling since the obvious – Venus, Mercury – are now
tracking in the morning eastern sky, not the evening western sky.

With that we continued to watch it as one of the guys used his 10x50
binoculars to get a better view. What was seen initially brought to
mind that it may perhaps be a high altitude research balloon but the
more we watched it and as it maintained its position that thought was
tossed quickly also. From the beginning it remained in one position,
never moved. Balloons, of any type, will not remain in one specific
position be they weather balloons, high altitude research balloons or
otherwise.

But as we watched it more closely it was very surprising as to the
manner in which it morphed into various shapes and sizes. Its
brightness would vary some but that was easily seen as being caused by
the low-lying clouds on the horizon. As we commonly call it – it was
“sitting in the soup”. When they would move in front of it the objects
brightness would dim some. Otherwise it would maintain its brightness.
That was easily seen via binocular observations.

The longer we watched it the more curious we all became and with that
growing curiosity we quickly set two telescopes onto it. Two different
sized telescopes were used, one, Celestron 11” Schimdt-Cassegrain
telescope and a smaller Orion 4.5” dobsonian telescope. Between the
two we could pull it in for a much closer look in a very inquisitive
effort to determine just what it actually was. Charts and web sites
were checked also to make sure we weren’t simply forgetting perhaps
one event that may explain what we were now seeing. Nothing could be
found.

The Celestron was using a 40mm eyepiece for a much wider field of view
whereas the smaller Orion had a 15mm eyepiece to pull it in much
closer. Through the Orion one could easily see what appeared right off
as a bell shape. The same was viewed in the other also.

But as mentioned before it morphed into what was clearly seen and
could be interpreted as the same basic outline of the Shuttle that
anyone would see as it flies over. Again, the same basic shape as to
what you would see looking up at the bottom of it. That distinctive
shape was easily recognized. At the rear of it you could see what
looked like bluish green waves that would both come and go from the
main rear line of the object. Nowhere else was this color and wave
seen, just at the rear.

The objects color was a combination of the just mentioned bluish green
at the rear to a lighter orange yellow up through the main body and
then into red orange, much more intense, than any of the other colors
at the top or perhaps, from appearance at that time, leading edge.
None of us had ever seen a color distribution of this sort before.
Especially on either the Shuttle or any other normal day-to-day
satellites. From our position/location it appeared to be hovering over
either Bristow, Ok or possibly even Oklahoma City.

There was no attempt by any of us then to determine its specific
distance or altitude from us. The same applies to its actual size.
Visually, it appeared very similar to the size of Jupiter. Other than
that comparison we honestly don’t know either its distance or specific
altitude. It remained in the same position for approximately 40
minutes and never moved. Close to 8 P.M. we started to notice what
appeared to be a ring of lights that was rotating around the bottom
portion. The lights were seen in the same location that the bluish
green colored waves were at. Several of us noticed this while looking
at it through the telescopes.

Needless to say this was surprising to us all. This carried on for one
to two minutes and then suddenly the object started to move. The
movement was slow at the beginning but increased very rapidly. I had
my eye glued to the 40mm eyepiece when this began and once it started
I could not move. Within two seconds it had totally disappeared from
open visual sight but I still had a lock on it in the eyepiece. Fast,
very fast it moved from dead center in the eyepiece field of view
upwards and at the same time was getting smaller and smaller as it
flew away. Two or three seconds later it was totally gone from view in
either of the telescopes.

The speed that it moved was without question way beyond anything that
we have knowledge of or is publicly known to be in our military. At
the rate it flew away would make a SR-71 Blackbird look very old and
slow. Could it have possibly been a new experimental aircraft?
Possibly yes but if so what was something such as that doing in
Oklahoma? Most generally new experimental, top-secret aircraft of that
type are being tested at either Edwards AFB or Area 51, not Oklahoma.
In a nutshell, we will never know.
It was unidentifiable, it was in the air and flew away and it most
certainly was an object of some unknown kind/type. From this alone it
could be justifiably categorized as a UFO.


http://www.examiner.com/x-2363-UFO-Examiner~y2009m10d19-UFO-hovering-over-Oklahoma-skies-baffles-astronomy-club-members


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See recent pictures of UFOS
http://tinyurl.com/ufo-pictures

The SI 'star' sign video at the youtube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuuMOvy1KNE


The youtube page where Benjamin Creme talks about the 'star' sign:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JihYJhfAs4



On Nov 12, 1:00 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
UnderstandingUFOSecrecy in the 21st Century

by Steven M. Greer M.D.

http://www.ufodigest.com/ufosecrecy.html

Summary: The evidence regarding this subject is clear and overwhelming: It
has not been difficult to make a compelling case for the reality of UFOs per
se. What is a greater challenge is elucidating the architecture of secrecy
related to UFOs (see the exposition of this matter contained in the paper
entitled "Unacknowledged" by this author). But the greatest challenge is
explaining the 'why'. Why all the secrecy? Why a 'black' or unacknowledged
government within the government? Why hide theUFO/ET subject from public
view?

Over the past few years I have had the responsibility of briefing senior
government and scientific leaders both in the US and abroad on theUFO/Extraterrestrial subject.

The evidence regarding this subject is clear and overwhelming: It has not
been difficult to make a compelling case for the reality of UFOs per se.
What is a greater challenge is elucidating the architecture of secrecy
related to UFOs (see the exposition of this matter contained in the paper
entitled "Unacknowledged" by this author). But the greatest challenge is
explaining the 'why'. Why all the secrecy? Why a 'black' or unacknowledged
government within the government? Why hide theUFO/ET subject from public
view?

The 'what' or evidence is complex but manageable. The 'how' or nature of the
secret programs is more difficult, much more complex and Byzantine. But the
'why' - the reason behind the secrecy'- is the most challenging problem of
all. There is not a single answer to this question, but rather numerous
inter-related reasons for such extraordinary secrecy. Our investigations and
interviews with dozens of top - secret witnesses who have been within such
programs have enabled us to understand the reasons behind this secrecy. They
range from the fairly obvious and straight-forward to the really bizarre.
Here, I wish to share some key points regarding this secrecy, why it has
been imposed and why it is so difficult for the controlling interests within
covert programs to reverse policy and allow disclosure.

In The Beginning

In the early days of the ET/UFOphenomena, military, intelligence and
industrial interests had concerns regarding the nature of the phenomena,
whether it originated from our human adversaries and once it was determined
to be extraterrestrial, how the public would react.

In the 1930s and 1940s this was no small matter: If these UFOs were of
terrestrial origin, they would be evidence of an earthly adversary with
technological devices far in advance of US aircraft. And once it was
determined to be extraterrestrial (some quarters knew this prior to the end
of WWII) there were many more questions than answers. To wit: why were the
ET s here? What are their intentions? How do the devices travel at such
fantastic speeds and through the vastness of space? How might these
technologies be applied to the human situation -both in war and in peace?
How would the public react to this knowledge? What effect would the
disclosure of these facts have on human belief systems? Political and social
systems?

From the late 1940s through the early 1950s, a concerted effort was made to
figure out the basic science and technologies behind these spacecraft,
primarily through the direct study and reverse-engineering of the retrieved
extraterrestrial objects from New Mexico and elsewhere. It was immediately
recognized that these objects were using laws of physics and applied
technologies far in advance of internal combustion engines, vacuum tubes and
the like. In the climate of the Cold War and in a world where a relatively
minor advantage technologically could tilt the balance of power in the
nuclear arms race, this was no small matter.

Indeed, the theme of human geo-political dysfunction appears as a recurring
feature of the secrecy related to UFOs - up to the present hour. More on
this later.

From the Wilbur Smith top secret Canadian government document of 1950, we
know that this subject was held in greater secrecy than even the development
of the hydrogen bomb. There was a tremendous effort underway by the late
1940s to study extraterrestrial hardware, figure out how it operated and see
what human applications might be made from such discoveries. Even then, the
project dealing with this subject was extraordinarily covert.

It became much more so by the early 1950s when substantial progress was made
on some of the basic physics behind the ET craft energy and propulsion
systems. The best we can estimate, it was then that the entire project
became increasingly 'black' or unacknowledged.

The compartmentalization of the project dealing with UFOs was exponentially
increased by the early 1950s when it was realized what it was that these
covert projects actually had: Devices displaying physics and energy systems
which - if disclosed - would forever alter life on earth.

By the Eisenhower era, theUFO/ET projects were increasingly compartmented
away from legal, constitutional chain-of-command oversight and control. This
means that -while we know from witness testimony that Eisenhower knew of the
ET craft - the president ( and similar leaders in the UK and elsewhere) were
increasingly left out of the loop. Such senior elected and appointed leaders
were confronted with (as Eisenhower called it) a sophisticated
military-industrial complex with labyrinthine compartmented projects which
were more and more out of their control and oversight. From direct witness
testimony we know that Eisenhower, Kennedy, Carter and Clinton were
frustrated by their attempts to penetrate such projects.

This is also true of senior congressional leaders and investigators, foreign
leaders and UN leadership. This is indeed an equal opportunity exclusion
project - it does not matter how high your rank or office, if you are not
deemed necessary to the project, you are not going to know about it. Period.

Contrary to popular myth, since the 1960s concern over some type of public
panic when faced with the fact that we are not alone in the universe has not
been a major reason for the secrecy. Those in the know -notwithstanding the
fantastic tales spun inUFOcircles and on the X-Files -understand that fear
of hostile ET s has also not been a significant factor. While there has been
continued confusion in some covert circles over the ultimate purpose behind
the ET phenomena, we know of no knowledgeable insiders who regard the ET s
as a hostile threat.

By the 1960s - and certainly by the 1990s - the world was very familiar with
the concept of space travel and the popular science - fiction industry had
thoroughly indoctrinated the masses with the idea of ET s from far away
being a possibility. So why the continued secrecy?

The Cold War is over. People would hardly be shocked to find out that we are
not alone in the universe ( the majority of people already believe this - in
fact most people believe the UFOs are real). Besides, what could be more
shocking than to live through the latter half of the 20th century with
thousands of hydrogen bombs aimed at every major city in the world? If we
can handle that, surely we can handle the idea that ET s are real.

The facile explanations of fear, panic, shock and the like do not suffice to
justify a level of secrecy so deep that even the President and his CIA
Director could be denied access to the information.

Story continues: Page 2.http://www.ufodigest.com/ufosecrecy2.html

Main page:http://www.ufodigest.com/ufosecrecy.html

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