Re: Now that the UfO cover-up is over, what do we do about the "debunker problem?"

On Dec 21, 2:35�pm, Cujo DeSockpuppet <c...@petitmorte.net> wrote:

"Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <scie...@zzz.com> wrote innews:5f55d999-bc70-4f33-8784-eab5a4469db8@y32g2000prd.googlegroups.com:

On Dec 18, 3:57�pm, Cujo DeSockpuppet <c...@petitmorte.net> wrote:

"Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <scie...@zzz.com> wrote
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e12ccc2-deb9-4f7b-8ffc-a21172fe5...@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com:

On Dec 17, 3:08�pm, Cujo DeSockpuppet <c...@petitmorte.net> wrote:

"Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <scie...@zzz.com> wrote
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3d7577d-367e-4139-b5e9-54c119e34...@13g2000prl.googlegroups.com:


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Have it your way, I pray for you cult sakes that the General
decides not to drop 10,000 H-Bombs on your debunker compound!!
�If he gives the heads up, I would recommend to head for the
hill of MARS!!!

Drop the bombs, Artie/Gary. I dare you.

That's is up to the General's staff, all I can do is make
recommendations.

Weaseling backpedal noted, Artie/Gary.


Lack of response noted, kook.

But a sober-minded person would of course use them
to get rid of the debunker problem.

That leaves you out, sockboi.

Exactly how many warnings do we have to give your cult?


All you do is talk, do something or shut the fuck up, sockboi.

I guess the
General wants to make sure he has every one of you punks pegged! �No
matter, this time good WILL triumph over evil, the side the debunker
represent. �Now enough of your silly talk, leave these very important
subjects to honest researchers. �And don't come back, EVER!!!


Request DENIED, kook.


Again, it was NOT a request, but a direct ORDER from the General
himself.  Now quit being a sock-puppet troll and find something else
to play with.  I can only hold off the General for so long, after
that, it probably will be the complete annihilation of your debunker
cult.   Now move along, there is nothing here for your kind.

BENTWATERS SOLDIER SAW INSIDE SUPER-SECRET VAULT

Base Was Site of Famous UFO Events in 1980
by Michael Lindemann

The military base known as RAF Bentwaters in England is  associated
with one of the most impressive yet controversial UFO cases of all
time.  Almost no one disputes that something strange occurred near the
base during late December of 1980, but what it was remains shrouded in
mystery.  Odd moving lights were reported in the sky and in the
Rendlesham Forest that separates Bentwaters from its nearby sister
base (now closed) called RAF  Woodbridge.  Soldiers were dispatched
into the woods, led by Lt. Colonel Charles Halt, USAF.  (Though on
British soil, both bases were manned by American forces).

On January 13, 1981, Halt sent a classified memo regarding the events
to the British Ministry of Defence.  That memo, released to U.S. UFO
researcher Robert Todd in June of 1983 through the Freedom of
Information Act, says that several witnesses reported a triangular,
metallic, highly luminous object either hovering or standing on legs,
and then maneuvering through the forest, on the night of December 27.
Though not a witness to
this object himself, Halt said that the next morning he did witness
three depressions in the ground, arranged in a triangular pattern,
that apparently marked where the object had stood.  Halt further
stated that on the following night he and others witnessed an
astounding display of moving lights in the sky.

Halt's memo left little doubt that whatever happened was out of the
ordinary, but continuing efforts by independent researchers have not
resolved the Bentwaters mystery, and current opinions vary widely.
Some now believe the strange events were all staged as part of a very
elaborate psychological warfare test, possibly involving mind-control
techniques.  Others say craft of unknown origin were seen at close
range, and that extensive photo and physical evidence was gathered at
the site -- all of which was then locked away in government vaults.
Still others say not only craft but "aliens" were seen and
contacted.    Finally, there are the hard-line skeptics who say
nothing at all
remarkable happened, except that airmen who should know better mistook
the light of a nearby lighthouse in the fog for something
otherworldly.

Now CNI News has learned of a U.S. soldier who was stationed at
Bentwaters some years after the famous 1980 events, but who saw
several things that lend strong credence to the strange claims
associated with the base.  This soldier prefers that his name not be
used in this story, but he has communicated under his own name with
CNI News editor Michael Lindemann.

Concerning his military background, the soldier says: "I entered the
service in 1983 and was assigned to RAF Bentwaters in 1984.  I was
involved in nuclear weapons and because of our extensive background
investigations, members of our section were often called upon to do
other high-security details.  Since even the Security Police didn't
have as high a clearence, a lot of these details were simply being our
own guards -- hence my access to the vault (see below).  I volunteered
for as many of these details as I could because it was supposed to
create an impressive military record.  However, when I arrived at my
next base (I left Bentwaters late in '86) no records of my special
duties followed me.  I called my immediate supervisor when I
discovered this and he said, 'What happens at Bentwaters stays at
Bentwaters.'  I think this had more to do with security than UFOs.  I
was an enlisted man and I was an E-4 Sgt when I entered the vault.  I
left the service in 1988.  I was still angry that none of my record
followed me.  I simply didn't re-enlist and had an honorable
discharge.  I was still an E-4."

Here is the soldier's account of his extraordinary experience in "the
vault" at Bentwaters, where apparently something very interesting and
very secret is hidden.

"On RAF Bentwaters there is a secured area around the flightline. This
is normal and many people have access, but not all.  Inside this area
is another secured area containing the munitions dump.  Again, this is
normal; fewer people have access to this.  On this particular base
there is another weapons storage area that only a few people can get
in.  You are searched and must travel around in pairs inside this
area.  It is heavily guarded.  The bunkers in this area require an
elaborate key and password sequence to get in.  One particular bunker
is different.

"Inside this bunker is a vault with two combinations and two locks.
Because of regulations, no one person can have access to more than one
[combination or lock].  Hence, if you can get a key you won't get the
combo, or vice-versa.  It takes four people to open the door -- plus
the security team verifying passwords, etc.  This is the most secure
area I have ever seen in the Air Force.

"I was picked to be a key holder, which meant that I was armed, and
told to escort the individual who needed [access to] the vault, along
with the three others needed to open the door.  I don't know who the
individual was; he was American and a civilian.  We opened the door
and I at first couldn't believe it.  It contained a roughly-made shelf
made out of two-by-fours holding two old wooden crates.  The
individual opened one of the crates, which was only sealed with a lead
seal, and inside was a green styrofoam container  in two halves.  He
opened it up and inside was a rod about a quarter inch in diameter and
bent about three times along its length.  It looked solid and if it
were straight it would be about a foot long.  It was dull but
corrosion free from what I could tell.  The man looked at it for about
a minute, then put it away and resealed the box with a new lead seal.
"For his minute we spent about four hours preparing to open the
vault.  It is that secure.  That was when I started asking questions
about why a small rod would require so much security.  The underlings
such as me hadn't a clue, but when I started asking others I was told
not to worry about it.  One officer that I knew personally once said
under his breath that it was 'proof,' but when I pressed him he denied
saying it.  The only other response I got, from people who obviously
didn't know, [was] that it probably had something to do with all the
UFOs that supposedly visit the base."

This soldier has no doubt that he saw something very extraordinary in
that vault, but he was highly skeptical of a UFO connection until he
had his own amazing sighting at Bentwaters some time later.  Here is
his account.

"I was working nights and for once the sky above the base was clear.
I took an astronomy class in college and was testing my knowledge of
the constellations when I saw what looked like an equilateral
triangle.  Of all the constellations, none I could think of formed a
triangle with such bright stars.  I had been looking and thinking for
about five or ten minutes when, right when I was looking directly at
them, the stars turned a full circle, each ending up where they
started, and then shot out at 90 degree angles from the direction they
were moving, and within a second were gone over the horizon, each
going a different direction.  Because they were just points of light I
figured they were far away and that would make their speed something
incredible.  I was so shook up I took the rest of the night off and
for weeks had this nightmare that all the stars in the sky were
spinning, and thus the end of the universe was near.  That may sound
strange, but it was that disturbing."

It is interesting to compare this soldier's sighting with
Colonel Halt's eyewitness description of events on December 28, 1980.
Halt wrote in his memo: "Three star-like objects were noticed in the
sky, two objects to the north and one to the south, all of which were
about 10 degrees off the horizon.  The objects moved rapidly in sharp
angular movements and displayed red, green and blue lights.  The
objects to the north appeared to be elliptical through an 8-12 power
lens.  They then turned to full circles.  The objects to the north
remained in the sky for an hour or more.  The object to the south was
visible for two or three hours and beamed down a stream of light from
time to time."

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"In all times and all places, with the possible exception of
 Western Europe for the past two hundred years, a social commerce
between human beings and various types of discarnate entities, or non-
human intelligences, was taken for granted."

 -Terence McKenna
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Excerpt from:
CNI News - Volume 13.7
December 28, 1995
Published by the ISCNI News Center
Editor: Michael Lindemann
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