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Have it your way, I pray for you cult sakes that the
General decides not to drop 10,000 H-Bombs on your
debunker compound!! �If he gives the heads up, I would
recommend to head for the hill of MARS!!!

Drop the bombs, Artie/Gary. I dare you.

That's is up to the General's staff, all I can do is make
recommendations.

Weaseling backpedal noted, Artie/Gary.

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Cujo, I am curious: do you think Artie/Gary really believes what he
saying, or is he just a troll? �Do you think he believes that anyone
at all thinks he has any credibility? �I can't quite figure the guy
out, and I'm thinking maybe you can provide some answers.

There is nothing to figure out, everything I post is 100% accurate.
Our side of honest researchers and all civilized people are uniting
against the worst threat known to mankind: the debunkers and their
ilk: suspected debunkers, debunker supporters, sympathizers and
enablers. �They WILL be defeated. �Now get off of these newsgroups
with your silly questions!!


Powerless wussy.


The cover-up is OVER, not get lost.

BENTWATERS SOLDIER SAW INSIDE SUPER-SECRET VAULT
Base Was Site of Famous UFO Events in 1980

The military base known as RAF Bentwaters in England is associated
with one of the most impressive yet controversial UFO cases of all
time. Almost no one disputes that something strange occurred near the
base during late December of 1980, but what it was remains shrouded in
mystery. Odd moving lights were reported in the sky and in the
Rendlesham Forest that separates Bentwaters from its nearby sister
base (now closed) called RAF Woodbridge. Soldiers were dispatched into
the woods, led by Lt. Colonel Charles Halt, USAF. (Though on British
soil, both bases were manned by American forces).

On January 13, 1981, Halt sent a classified memo regarding the events
to the British Ministry of Defence.  That memo, released to U.S. UFO
researcher Robert Todd in June of 1983 through the Freedom of
Information Act, says that several witnesses reported a triangular,
metallic, highly luminous object either hovering or standing on legs,
and then maneuvering through the forest, on the night of December 27.
Though not a witness to this object himself, Halt said that the next
morning he did witness three depressions in the ground, arranged in a
triangular pattern, that apparently marked where the object had stood.
Halt further stated that on the following night he and others
witnessed an astounding display of moving lights in the sky.

Halt's memo left little doubt that whatever happened was out of the
ordinary, but continuing efforts by independent researchers have not
resolved the Bentwaters mystery, and current opinions vary widely.
Some now believe the strange events were all staged as part of a very
elaborate psychological warfare test, possibly involving mind-control
techniques. Others say craft of unknown origin were seen at close
range, and that extensive photo and physical evidence was gathered at
the site -- all of which was then locked away in government vaults.
Still others say not only craft but "aliens" were seen and contacted.
Finally, there are the hard-line skeptics who say nothing at all
remarkable happened, except that airmen who should know better mistook
the light of a nearby lighthouse in the fog for
something otherworldly.

Now CNI News has learned of a U.S. soldier who was stationed at
Bentwaters some years after the famous 1980 events, but who saw
several things that lend strong credence to the strange claims
associated with the base.  This soldier prefers that his name not be
used in this story, but he has communicated under his own name with
CNI News editor Michael Lindemann.

Concerning his military background, the soldier says: "I entered the
service in 1983 and was assigned to RAF Bentwaters in 1984. I was
involved in nuclear weapons and because of our extensive background
investigations, members of our section were often called upon to do
other high-security details. Since even the Security Police didn't
have as high a clearence, a lot of these details were simply being our
own guards -- hence my access to the vault (see below). I volunteered
for as many of these details as I could because it was supposed to
create an impressive military record. However, when I arrived at my
next base (I left Bentwaters late in '86) no records of my special
duties followed me. I called my immediate supervisor when I discovered
this and he said, 'What happens at Bentwaters stays at Bentwaters.' I
think this had more to do with security than UFOs. I was an enlisted
man and I was an E-4 Sgt when I entered the vault. I left the service
in 1988. I was still angry that none of my record followed me. I
simply didn't re-enlist and had an honorable discharge. I was still an
E-4."

Here is the soldier's account of his extraordinary experience in "the
vault" at Bentwaters, where apparently something very interesting and
very secret is hidden.

"On RAF Bentwaters there is a secured area around the flightline. This
is normal and many people have access,  but not all. Inside this area
is another secured area containing the munitions dump. Again, this is
normal; fewer people have access to this. On this particular base
there is another weapons storage area that only a few people can get
in. You are searched and must travel around in pairs inside this area.
It is heavily guarded.  The bunkers in this area require an elaborate
key and password sequence to get in. One particular bunker is
different.

"Inside this bunker is a vault with two combinations and two locks.
Because of regulations, no one person can have access to more than one
[combination or lock].  Hence, if you can get a key you won't get the
combo, or vice-versa. It takes four people to open the door --plus the
security team verifying passwords, etc. This is the most secure area I
have ever seen in the Air Force.

"I was picked to be a key holder, which meant that I was armed, and
told to escort the individual who needed [access to] the vault, along
with the three others needed to open the door. I don't know who the
individual was; he was American and a civilian. We opened the door and
I at first couldn't believe it. It contained a roughly-made shelf made
out of two-by-fours holding two old wooden crates. The individual
opened one of the crates, which was only sealed with a lead seal, and
inside was a green styrofoam container in two halves. He opened it up
and inside was a rod about a quarter inch in diameter and bent about
three times along its length.  It looked solid and if it were straight
it would be
about a foot long. It was dull but corrosion free from what I could
tell. The man looked at it for about a minute, then put it away and
resealed the box with a new lead seal.

�For his minute we spent about four hours preparing to open the vault.
It is that secure.

�That was when I started asking questions about why a small rod would
require so much security. The underlings such as me hadn�t a clue, but
when I started asking others I was told not to worry about it. One
officer that I knew personally once said under his breath that it was
�proof,� but when I pressed him he denied saying it. The only other
response I got, from people who obviously didn�t know, [was] that it
probably had something to do with all the UFOs that supposedly visit
the base.�

This soldier has no doubt that he saw something very extraordinary in
that vault, but he was highly skeptical of a UFO connection until he
had his own amazing sighting at Bentwaters some time later. Here is
his account.

�I was working nights and for once the sky above the base was clear. I
took an astronomy class in college and was testing my knowledge of the
constellations when I saw what looked like an equilateral triangle. Of
all the constellations, none I could think of formed a triangle with
such bright stars. I had been looking and thinking for about five or
ten minutes when, right when I was looking directly at them, the stars
turned a full circle, each ending up where they started, and then shot
out at 90 degree angles from the direction they were moving, and
within a second were gone over the horizon, each going a different
direction. Because they were just points of light I figured they were
far away and that would make their speed something incredible. I was
so shook up I took the rest of the night off and for weeks had this
nightmare that all the stars in the sky were spinning, and thus the
end of the universe was near.  That may sound strange, but it was that
disturbing.�

It is interesting to compare this soldier�s sighting with Colonel
Halt�s eyewitness description of events on December 28, 1980. Halt
wrote in his memo: �Three star-like objects were noticed in the sky,
two objects to the north and one to the south, all of which were about
10 degrees off the horizon. The objects moved rapidly in sharp angular
movements and displayed red, green and blue lights. The objects to the
north appeared to be elliptical through an 8-12 power lens. They then
turned to full circles. The objects to the north remained in the sky
for an hour or more. The object to the south was visible for two or
three hours and beamed down a stream of light from time to time.�
By Michael Lindemann