Re: Space Travel And The Wonders Of Our Universe Are For Everyone

On Feb 11, 12:28�pm, "Kiyo" <darlaperen...@maol.com> wrote:

"John Ayres" <jon.john@aol_dot_com.au> wrote in message



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May I ask you, what government type would you hope this centralized system
would utilize?



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I've never looked into the specifics of the U.N., but I'm pretty sure
much can be learned from their experience since their inception.


Perhaps you should have been given choices?
Democracy? �Republic? �Should there be an emperor/king with absolute
authority?



Now don't you enjoy at least temporary absolute authority over the
Solar system?  Seems as though you are acting in the capacity of a
Viceroy!

Socialism, communism, capitalism, you have many things from which to choose!
Here is a new one: �government by consensus.
What "type" of government do you feel would best comprise the system you say
is needed?



I have told he my bad experiences with consensus management process.
Although I suppose it arises out the the shortcomings of pure
democratic process, where a majority can so easily ignore the minority
viewpoint.  Democratic governments often try to hybridize themselves
to gain some of the advantages of a more authoritarian system, say by
hiring a city manager.  Uniting all the different customs, beliefs,
and traditions of all the world's peoples into a world system that
would work would be very difficult.

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People don't know what the CIA operatives are doing because they don't want
to know.
People are interested only in the violence and the intrigue.
Most CIA workers do jobs in which other people would be completely
uninterested.
However, any secrets worth telling seem to leak.
Don't you think that an ET secret would be worth leaking to the public?



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You must realize that any ET folks would be vastly more advanced in
technology if they have the capability to find Earth and to travel here.
Why should they bother trying to educate anyone, when the highest technology
on Earth is used by its holders to kill each other?
So firstly, we need a little help here from EACH OTHER.
We cannot expect to get the right attention from other civilizations if our
civilization would be considered violent and dangerous, can we?
If anyone here can truly realize that "we are not alone", then try to put
yourself in the "shoes" of the ETs.
Would YOU want to make YOUR presence clear?



There could be nothing more likely to unify mankind that the
realization that they were under surveillance of hostile aliens, most
likely planning an invasion!


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You should probably hope earnestly that this isn't true.
People must gain the "momentum" of which you speak ON THEIR OWN.
Only this will make any possibly existing ET's respect the integrity of
human beings.



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You talk below of wasted monies.
All monies are wasted that do not improve the human condition on Earth.



Knowledge in itself cannot be an end?

If it is the attention of the galactic community that you want to draw, this
can be done by an earnest attempt to make life better for all living things
on Earth, including fellow human beings.
Money should not be spent trying to contact others in our universe.
Even if they heard us, they would ignore us until we were able to get our
stuff together.



(Shit in one sock.)

Spend money locally, globally, to improve the lives of all of Earth's
inhabitants, and of the Earth herself.


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The thing that makes humans look like idiots is that there are so many human
lives that are ignored.



�The unexamined life is not worth living.� -  Socrates

We make war with each other without any care for civilians, women and
children.



"collateral damage"  -  Timothy McVeigh

We intrigue with each other because it adds "feeling" to our lives and makes
us wealthy.
If we cannot bring ourselves, both as individuals AND as a species, to care
for our house, the ONLY house we know of, planet Earth, and to care for each
other regardless of race, religion, gender or politics, then how can we
expect outsiders to care?



You mean we can't work out an exclusively white, Anglo-Saxon,
protestant  caring relationship with the seans?"

WHO should they care about, John Ayres?
Should they care about the Muslims and piss off Christians and Jews?
Should they care about conservatives and piss off the liberals?
Should they care about the French people and piss of the Italians?
Should they care about the Irish and piss off the Brits?

Until we get our stuff together, we can expect to be ignored and avoided by
any INTELLIGENT society of outsiders.

--
***** Kiyo
System Commander



Well, how did we get to were we are today?  Carl Sagan speculated it
was by genocidal extermination of all other races of apes that showed
intelligence and evolving speech abilities.

Double-A