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Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police
Station and Fire
Department in America!!

The Fire Officer's Guide To Disaster Control

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Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and Fire
Department in America!!

The Fire Officer's Guide To Disaster Control

   The Fire Officer's Guide To Disaster Control by William M. Kramer,
Ph.D. and Charles W. Bahme, J.D. is a totally serious book which is
found in all fire and police department libraries across the United
States.  In June 1993, a new chapter (pp. 458-473) was added to this
book.  Bahme  himself saw "UFOs" fly over Los Angeles on Aug. 26,
1942, and they were subsequently fired upon by ground defenses which
killed nine people.  During the Korean War, Bahme was Security
Coordinator for the Chief of Naval Operations.  The Guide is published
by the Delaware State Fire School and made available through the Fire
Engineering Book Service at 800-752-9768.

     The Fire Officer's Guide To Disaster Control can also be found in
your local library.  The Dewey Decimal number is 363.378.  The ISBN #
is 0-912212-26-8.  Ask the local librarian for help if you have
trouble finding this.  If it is checked out, you may put a reserve on
it when it is returned.  This is for the benefit of all the UFO
debunkers out there who can't figure out how to use a library!

     Chapter 13 is titled "Enemy Attack and UFO Potential" and it
starts on page 439 and goes through to page 473, references are
included.   Page number 458 is where the UFO material begins, the main
heading is "The UFO Threat - - A Fact."  So now you know that every
police and fire department has on hand instructions on how to handle a
UFO "crisis."  Under the main heading, as listed above, the authors
explain"...interest in UFOs was greatly heightened when Congress in
1969 adopted a law which gave the NASA Administrator the arbitrary
discretion to quarantine under armed guard any object, person, or
other form of life which has been extraterrestrially exposed."

       The next heading, is called, "UFO Discussion - - Why Now?"  It
goes on to explain how, during the early morning hours of August 26,
1942, sirens had signaled and "spectacular aerial fireworks filled the
heavens all around."  It  has since become known as "The Los Angeles
Air Raid of 1942,"  The was the  army's' response to an UFO flyover,
which was treated as an hostile "attack."

   The following two chapters describe the UFO classification systems
devised by Dr. J. Allen Hynek, and the various shapes, speeds and
maneuverability "not attainable by aircraft of any kind commonly
observed," of UFOs.  The authors have a warning to the readers who
have made up their minds that there is no such things as UFOs,
"...notwithstanding the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, it
should be pointed out that there is circumstantial evidence that
disastrous effects have already been attributed to UFO activity in
more than one nation, including the United States!"

     The "History of UFOs" details the "hundreds of years of
mysterious objects in the sky and strange moving lights" along with
the World War II description of "Foo Fighters."  Also explained is the
Apollo 11 mission, where Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins "reported
sightings of what seemed to be a UFO during the first half of their
flight to the lunar surface."  Moreover, "There were many more
sightings by U.S. and Soviet Astronauts.  On November, 11, 1966,
Gemini XII astronauts Jim Lovell and Edwin Aldrin said that they saw
four UFOs linked together."   Dr. J. Allen Hynek emphatically stated,
"Where they are coming from and why they are here is a matter of
conjecture, but the fact that they were here on this planet is beyond
a reasonable doubt."

Why The Secrecy?

     The section titled, "Why the Secrecy?" starts off detailing Jim
and Carol Lorenzos' book "UFOs Over America" in how "...the CIA has
been closely involved in collection and suppression of UFO
information.  Witnesses to the phenomena have been bribed, coerced,
and threatened by the CIA, who wanted valuable evidence given to them
alone."

     One reason given is that military intelligence may view the UFOs
as a tool of either a known or unknown potential enemy.   "If these
vehicles prove evasive and surreptitious, all the more reason to
suspect them...the probability looms large that the minds behind these
vehicles may well be gathering intelligence of their own."

     Another reason for secrecy may lie in the hope of obtaining
knowledge relating to advanced propulsion methods and ANTI-GRAVITY
systems before other potential enemies on earth may acquire it.
Hence, though many nations are secretly investigating UFOs, they are
reluctant to share their findings.  Robert Lofton, in his book
"Identified Flying Saucers," claims that the Air Force became the
"goat" in the effort of the CIA to DEBUNK  many sightings by pilots,
radar technicians, and reliable civilian observers.  He thinks that
the suppression of information about how dangerous UFOs can be is
wrong.

     Major Donald Keyhoe describes in his book "Aliens From Space, The
Real Story Of UFOs," the difficulties he had in 1957 in trying to get
the truth from government agencies after he was director of NICAP, at
the time the world's largest UFO research organization  with over 30
subcommittees in the U.S. and abroad.

According to some UFOlogists the attempts at cover-up by the CIA
extends to destruction of evidence that it could not confiscate.
Apparently some of our nation's important leaders have been denied
access to some UFO secrets in the possession of an agency of the
United States, the very existence of which is classified ABOVE TOP
SECRET!  Ex-Presidential nominee and a retired Air Force Reserve
Brigadier General, Barry Goldwater was quoted as saying, "I think some
highly secret government UFO investigations are going on that we don't
know about--and probably never will unless the Air Force discloses
them."  Goldwater said he was refused permission to check the Air
Force files on UFOs!

     Unleashed by the policy of Glasnost [greater openness] the Soviet
media felt free to include accounts of UFO sightings.  A Tass report
of October 10, 1989, reported a large shiny ball or disk hovering over
a Voronezh park, residents saw the UFO land and three creatures
similar to human beings emerged, accompanied by a robot.  ---One
wonders when we in America are going to have an AMERICAN GLASNOST in
regards to the alien presence--  In 1966, Representative Gerald Ford
responded to a rash of sightings in his home state of Michigan by
calling for, and getting, a House hearing on UFOs.

UFO Missions

     Many reasons have been advanced for the purpose of the UFOs
visits to our planet.  Although some of the persons who apparently
have been the subjects of genetic investigation, the majority of those
who have studied possible UFO visitors, feel that they are friendly.

     From the thousands of reports he has studied, William Spaulding,
aerospace engineer and head of the Arizona-based ground Saucer Watch,
believes that a pattern indicates that UFOs are here on a surveillance
mission; the fact that a majority of sightings occur around our
military installations, research and development areas leads to the
conclusion that a methodical study is being made of the earth and its
defensive and offensive capabilities.  "The phenomena is not unlike
our own space explorations; scout ship surveys; soil samples;
landings."

     In his book "Incident at Exeter,"  John Fuller discusses the
seeming affinity of UFOs for electrical power lines in the
northeastern part of the United States.  In a later section of this
chapter dealing with the effects of UFOs on our terrestrial
activities, we will see how this affinity may have been responsible
for causing 36 million people to lose power over an area of 8,000
square miles.

     Because of our recent adventures into space, there are some who
speculate that UFOs are more concerned with what we will do there,
than in settling here.  In any event, the Air Force's official
publication (issued by the Government Printing Office 1968) called
"Flying Objects" says that "No UFO has been determined to represent a
threat to our national security."  That conclusion, however, should
not rule out less disastrous consequences than the overthrow of our
government.

Adverse Potential of UFOs

     Despite the skepticism of scientists, the UFOs sent from other
planets do exist and have visited earth.  UFOs may have exhibited some
destructive effects, whether or not intentionally in every instance,
which we need to consider when drafting a plan for coping with an
emergency situation where UFOs are involved.  Some of these documented
effects are as follows:

UFO Hazards

     The two principal hazards noted with relation to UFOs have been
attributed to powerful electrical fields which they can project in a
general or localized area and the psychological effects they have
produced on the general populace or individual contacts.

Force Field Impact

    The disruption of air and ground travel has often been reported in
the presence of UFOs.  The ignition systems of auto and aircraft
engines have apparently been affected by energized force fields to
such an extent as to ...