| Subject: Re: Why World War II ended with Mushroom Clouds - 65 years ago, August 6 and 9, 1945: Hiroshima and Nagasaki |
| From: Hiroshima Facts |
| Date: 10/08/2010, 10:09 |
| Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.alien.research,alt.paranet.ufo,sci.skeptic,alt.conspiracy |
On Aug 9, 10:21 pm, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."
<garymatalu...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 9, 5:22 am, Hiroshima Facts <hiroshima_fa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 9, 5:38 am, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."
<garymatalu...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 8, 7:34 am, Hiroshima Facts <hiroshima_fa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 8, 4:54 am, Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA <scie...@zzz.com>
wrote:
On Aug 8, 12:19 am, Hiroshima Facts <hiroshima_fa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 7, 4:33 pm, harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 7, 6:02 am, Hiroshima Facts <hiroshima_fa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 6, 1:26 am, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."
<scie...@zzz.com> wrote:
Truman himself, however, hypocritically declared at the time that the
purpose of the two nuclear bombardments had been “to bring the boys
home,” that is, to quickly finish the war without any further major
loss of life on the American side. This explanation was uncritically
broadcast in the American media and it developed into a myth eagerly
propagated by the majority of historians and media in the USA and
throughout the “Western” world. That myth, which, incidentally, also
serves to justify potential future nuclear strikes on targets such as
Iran and North Korea, is still very much alive - just check your
mainstream newspaper on August 6 and 9!
That is hardly a myth. And it was hardly hypocritical.
The invasion of Japan was projected to cost up to a million American
lives, and countless more injured.
The prospect of this invasion worried Truman greatly. That is why he
was still eager for the Soviets to help fight Japan despite the fact
that they were showing themselves to be troublemakers.
When Japan finally started offering to surrender, Truman was greatly
relieved.
I think you are distortin history a bit. The Soviets entered the war
against Japan for the sole purpose of a land grab. Noone of the
Allies wanted them in there. They knew Japan was beat it was only a
question of time once we had the bomb.
It is true that having the Soviets involved had huge negatives, and
they would have been very pleased to keep the Soviets out.
But they did not know for sure that the bombs (or anything else for
that matter) would make Japan surrender. It still may have came down
to the invasion for all they knew, and if we did invade, not having
help from the Soviets would have made an already high cost in American
lives even higher. It was sort of a matter of deciding which of two
unpalatable alternatives was a lesser evil.
They certainly hoped that they could shock Japan into surrender before
the Soviets entered the Pacific war -- that way they could avoid both
the invasion and Soviet involvement. But they were also continuing to
press the Soviets to enter the war, just in case they couldn't shock
Japan into surrender, and invasion was unavoidable.
Nice try spOOk, completely wrong though!!
Feel free to try to point out even one thing that was wrong.
Please leave now spOOk, EVERYTHING you have written is a lie,
falsehood and wrong. Please leave these groups, we are in the process
of pacifying these groups of KooKs, spOOks and debunkers.
Funny how you can't actually show that anything I said is false.
It is ALL false, why bother with nit-picking.
In other words, you can't show that any of it is wrong (as indeed none
of it is wrong), but you can't bring yourself to admit it.
We've seen spOOks come
and we've seen spOOks go, you are no different. Ask Borsch, the
resident NSA spOOk for verification!
65 years since the bombing of Hiroshima
At 8:15 a.m. on August 6, 1945, the US Air Force exploded an atomic
bomb over the Japanese city of Hiroshima, instantly killing 80,000
civilians. Most of the city was leveled by the bomb’s shock wave or
incinerated in the subsequent firestorm. Three days later, before it
was understood what had happened in Hiroshima, the US exploded a
second atomic bomb above Nagasaki, immediately killing 40,000.
By August 7, the Japanese government knew Hiroshima had been destroyed
by a single bomb, and they knew we had claimed it to be an A-bomb.
They already knew what an A-bomb was too, as they had their own A-bomb
program. It was not even close to producing a working bomb, but they
knew very well what one was.
Within weeks the toll had likely climbed to 250,000 killed through
burns and radiation poisoning.
Unlikely that there were more than 200,000 killed.
Those who survived the blasts described
scenes of nearly unspeakable horror—civilians, mainly women and
children, burnt so badly there could be no treatment; “walking dead”
staggering through the streets in their last hours, their skin hanging
like rags from their bodies; atomic shadows seared into the pavement
where humans had stood. Tens of thousands more continued to die and
suffer in the years and decades after the attacks.
The US bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki stand among the most savage
acts of violence against a civilian population ever committed.
Hiroshima was a major military center, with tens of thousands of
soldiers.
Nagasaki was a factory town that was devoted to making weapons.
Sixty-
five years later, they remain shrouded in lies and obfuscation
emanating from the modern-day defenders of American militarism.
Typical is a column written by journalist Warren Kozac, published
Friday in the Wall Street Jounal. Kozak recently wrote a biography
that attempts to rehabilitate the bloodthirsty Air Force general
Curtis LeMay, who, before the bombing of Hiroshima, organized the
firebombing of Tokyo, killing an estimated 87,000 people.
Kozak repeats the standard lies used to justify the atrocity,
including the claim that the decision to use the atomic bomb saved
lives. “It should be noted that when President Harry Truman was
considering whether to invade Japan instead of dropping the bombs, his
advisers estimated that an invasion would result in one million
American casualties and at least two million Japanese deaths,” writes.
“In the strange calculus of war, the bombs actually saved Japanese
lives.”
Truman’s decision had nothing to do with saving lives, Japanese or
American. At the time of the bombing, Japan was, in a military sense,
already defeated. Its navy, air force, and industrial capacity largely
destroyed, the Japanese had sought out conditions for peace in the
weeks before the attacks.
Interesting choice of words "peace" as opposed to "surrender".
Japan's effort to end the war with a permanent ceasefire (sort of the
way the Korean War later ended) was a nonstarter.
The only way out was for Japan to surrender. And they didn't try to
surrender until after the A-bombs.
The use of the atom bomb was, above all else, a cold-blooded strategic
decision made with Washington’s eyes already transfixed on the postwar
order. At the Tehran Conference of 1943, the Soviet Union had agreed
to declare war on Japan within three months after the ending of
hostilities in Europe. After the defeat of Germany, the Soviet Red Army
—which had borne the brunt of Allied fighting in Europe—began to be
shifted across the Eurasian landmass in preparation for an invasion of
Manchuria on August 8, 1945—two days after Hiroshima, and the day
before Nagasaki.
Washington was aware that if the war were not concluded rapidly, the
Soviet Union would be in a position to assert itself in the resumed
Chinese civil war between the pro-US nationalist forces of Chiang Kai-
shek and the peasant armies of Mao Zedong, on the Korean peninsula,
and potentially in Japan itself, where a revolt of the country’s
working class and peasants against the empire—as had taken place in
Italy against Mussolini—was far more likely than the fight to the
death of the Emperor posited by Kozak and others.
But even more crucially, Truman and the US military were anxious to
use the atomic bomb, this new weapon of extraordinary destructive
power, as an object lesson to the Soviet Union and the entire world of
the lengths Washington would go to defend its interests.
Actually, what Truman and the US military wanted was for Japan to
surrender.
Historian Thomas McCormick has eloquently summarized the decision: “In
two blinding glares—a horrible end to a war waged horribly by all
parties—the United States finally found the combination that would
unlock the door to American hegemony. A prearranged demonstration of
the atomic bomb on a noninhabited target, as some scientists had
recommended, would not do. That could demonstrate the power of the
bomb, but it could not demonstrate the American will to use the awful
power. One reason, therefore, for American unwillingness to pursue
Japanese peace feelers in mid-summer 1945 was that the United States
did not want the war to end before it had had a chance to use the
atomic bomb.” (America’s Half-Century, 44-45.)
America didn't have any opportunity to pursue those peace feelers, as
the Japanese government was only pursuing them with the USSR.
The only way the US even knew about them in any detail was because we
had broken the Japanese codes, and we certainly weren't about to
expose that we had done that.