Subject: Re: Being a Debunker means never having to say you're sorry//The only SOLUTION to the debunker problem: the FINAL Solution�
From: "The Patriot" <xxxxxx@charter.net>
Date: 31/01/2011, 17:45
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This approach "fosters a stance of 
arrogance
and
narrow-mindedness."

The request for you to be arrogant and
narrow-minded
is
denied.

Please report to your nearest FEMA camp, and 
take
the
rest of your
kind with you!!

Sir Arti
........................................................
ATTENTION Art Holeflapper, please call
503-945-2870
as
soon as possible. The Oregon State Mental
Hospital
is
looking for you and they need to get you back 
in
custody.

Your friend Patriot.

We can now say with moral certitude that there is
only
ONE solution to
the debunker peril and that is the FINAL 
solution.
The
PEOPLE have
spoken: debunkers must be placed in FEMA camps.
Remember, this is for
THEIR protection only. That is how much we care
about
debunkers and
their ilk.

Please crawl out of your cave and march right 
over
to
your nearest
FEMA camp for processing.

The PEOPLE have spoken: honest researchers IN,
truth-TERROR threats of
debunkers OUT!!
*****************************************************
Yes Sir, comrade Hitler!

Debunkers: I have heard it said that the most
frustrating and least
useful aspect of ufology is the machinations of the
debunkers.
Debunkers are experts at the use of disinformation,
misinformation,
and propaganda. They provide prosaic explanations 
for
everything. If
the first story gets challenged, they simply 
generate
another story
and do not even apologize for changing their
position.
No information
or data supplied by the ufologist is ever good 
enough
for them. Truth,
honesty, ethics and things like that are foreign to
their way of
operating because it might erode their position. 
They
seldom do real
investigations.

Most of their explanations are canned and used over
and
over so that
they do not feel it necessary to do investigations.
All
this is very
frustrating to the ufologists that conduct 
extensive
investigations,
record every little detail of a UFO incident,
assemble
statistics,
maintain vast databases, and probably most of all,
respect the good
and honest witnesses who report their UFO 
incidents.

Perhaps it would help ufologists to deal with the
debunkers if they
understood why the debunkers act in such a manner.
This
is best
described in The Argument Culture, a book by
Georgetown
University
professor Deborah Tannen. These machinations are an
example of what
the cultural linguist Walter Ong calls "agonism" or
"programmed
contentiousness." Agonism does not refer to
disagreement, conflict, or
vigorous dispute. It refers to ritualized 
opposition.

Professor Tannen says: "The way we train our
students,
conduct our
classes and our research, and exchange ideas at
meetings and in print
are all driven by our ideological assumption that
intellectual inquiry
is a metaphorical battle. Following from that is a
second assumption,
that the best way to demonstrate intellectual 
prowess
is to criticize,
find fault, and attack." Further, she says: "Many
aspects of our
academic lives can be described as agonistic. For
example, in our
scholarly papers, most of us follow a conventional
framework that
requires us to position our work in opposition to
someone else's,
which we prove wrong.

The framework tempts, almost requires us to
oversimplify or even
misrepresent others' positions; cite the weakest
example to make a
generally reasonable work appear less so; and 
ignore
facts that
support other's views, citing only evidence that
supports our own
positions."

This approach "fosters a stance of arrogance and
narrow-mindedness."
There is much more of value in The Argument 
Culture,
but in these few
words, I believe Professor Tannen has clearly 
exposed
the operating
technique used by most debunkers. With this
information
in mind, it is
fairly obvious that we are stuck with a continuing
tirade by the
debunkers and it will continue until they all die
off.
They are unable
to change, they are
programmed to act as they do.

Fortunately, most ufologists have no desire to play
the
debunkers
game. Programmed contentiousness is viewed as
dishonest, unfair and
unethical. It puts an end to exploring ideas,
uncovering nuances,
comparing and contrasting different interpretations
of
a particular
work, and gaining a deeper and more accurate
understanding of the
material. It kills the quest for open-minded 
inquiry.

Even knowing all of this, ufologists still allow
themselves to be
stressed by the actions of debunkers. A good
investigator is likely to
be provoked by a debunker's announcement that a
certain
UFO was
actually Venus when everyone knows that Venus was 
not
visible at the
time. A debunker's demand for "all of your
investigative files so I
can identify the UFO," is another provoking ploy.
They
play on your
ego by saying "I have never seen any credible
evidence
of a UFO,"
hoping you will try to provide some evidence that
will
convince them.
Will it convince them? No! Their debunker's
pre-subscribed dogma will
not allow it. If all else fails, they will claim it
is
your
responsibility as an investigator to respond to 
their
demands. Don't
fall for that ploy. Only you and the organization 
you
represent can
define your responsibilities.

A formula for avoiding stress caused by the actions
of
the debunkers
is to follow industry's lead in looking for "value
added" in any
interchange or effort. If there is nothing to be
gained
from
responding to them, then don't do it. Apply your
energies where they
will make a difference. Don't play their game. It
takes
two to make a
game and if you do not respond to their 
provocation,
then they do not
have a game. They lose and you are not stressed.
**************************************
Du bist ein Narr Herr Hitler.

Apparently you missed the following orders:

#1 - NO debunkers are allowed to post here anymore;
#2 - ALL debunkers must be processed immediately at 
the
nearest FEMA
camp.

No exceptions, this is right from the General 
himself.
Do not disobey
a direct order!!!

Sir Artio

What part of NO debunkers do you not understand?
You WILL obey.
************************************************************
Warum wollen Sie Blo steller die Gas fen Herr Hitler 
zu
schicken?

What part of NO debunkers do you not understand?

Your kind are no longer welcomed here with civilized, 
educated human
beings.  You FAIL on all 3 counts.

Sir Arti�
**************************************************************
ATTENTION Art Holeflapper, please call
503-945-2870
as soon as possible. The Oregon State
Mental Hospital is looking for you and
they need to get you back in custody
ASAP.

Your friend Patriot.